Is it Paddy's turn to be an idiot?
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We all should question the fairness in the Irish Social insurance the people who post the most in get the least out in a downturn,
Eh? The clue is in the name. It is a social insurance. If we were all to take out what we put in, there wouldn't be anything left.
Can't believe I am actually defending social insurance....Next I will be defending how we do social housing in this county....
There are lots of people who were good at spelling who paid into Irish social Insurance System finished up there because of what was taken off them in the good times,Or Australia... depending on spelling
If you are wondering Who they might be
I will let you check it out for Yourself Google
LEO PRSI PLAN,
Enjoy,
When you see what they took away you will understand why some finished upthe other side of the World,
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The people who pay the most in are the least likely to need it. As Sunny said, it's called Social Insurance. Do you think it should work differently?
Sonny I never checked where you stood on social housing anyhow it does not matter where you stand the people who go into Government with FF/FG will decide ,
Like it does in other EU Country and like it used to be hear before it was taken away to be squandered ,
not a bit nice if you know someone who took there own life after loosing there job
They had a mortgage of 1600 a month best the banks would offer was to cut in to 800 per month
social insurance was around 171 week I think you are away off ,But it speaks for itself,
Always remember being kind is better than being smart,
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I'm lost...
Seriously, you go off on so many tangents it is impossible to follow you.
I lost my job in the last recession and relied on job seekers for nearly a year so I know exactly what it is like.
Another tip for you. Don't throw suicide at someone you don't know on the internet. You don't know me or anything about my family. It just makes you look pathetic.
70 % Of a salary of 50K per year is higher than 171 eura a week
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Sorry Sunny but it is the social security system I was on about , Not you, Sorry again,
171 euro a week after paying in for 25 years is not correct in my book, and LEO agrees but done nothing about it,
There is major reform required to the social insurance system to be fair to the people who get up and go to work and find themselves out of work ,
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No problem but the idea of getting 60-70% of your salary while looking for your job if you have made the contributions is great. To afford that though, are you willing to pay a lot more social insurance tax like other European countries? We currently pay a PRSI rate of 4%. In France, Austria, Germany, it is over 20%.
I never saw that coming, quite brilliant, worthy of the Duke himself.
Coming back to the original point of the thread, are Irish people voting for SF like English voting for Brexit or Americans voting for Johnson.
Undoubtedly there is an element of protest vote that is attracted to SF, but there is also a long established republican and republican socialist (a different thing, but mostly allied to SF these days) tradition in Ireland.
And the related question 'is SF given its past and connection to the IRA fit to be in government'. Well anyone who lived in Ireland during the troubles is entitled to their own opinion and we are all so well aware of the issues that it would be futile in most cases to try to persuade anyone to change their minds.
However, and its a big however, if SF get a significant vote share again in this election, possibly even a higher vote share than FG, it becomes unsustainable to claim they are not fit to be in government.
To do so is not just to say SF are unfit, but that the choice of 20% + of the electorate is invalid. To say that SF are unfit for government begins to reflect more on the person saying it than on SF voters. You can think they are making a wrong choice, but in a democracy its their choice to make.
This election is about many things, the economy, crime, housing, health, education, the past record of the parties and yes specifically SF links to the IRA, but it smacks of desperation that RTE and the IT as well as the political parties have focussed so much on the Paul Quinn issue in the last days of the campaign.
OK and now the comment that is going to get me in trouble. FF and FG didn't give two figs about Paul Quinn for the last 13 years, but now they are happy to use him as a stick to beat SF.
Undoubtedly there is an element of protest vote that is attracted to SF, but there is also a long established republican and republican socialist (a different thing, but mostly allied to SF these days) tradition in Ireland.
And the related question 'is SF given its past and connection to the IRA fit to be in government'. Well anyone who lived in Ireland during the troubles is entitled to their own opinion and we are all so well aware of the issues that it would be futile in most cases to try to persuade anyone to change their minds.
However, and its a big however, if SF get a significant vote share again in this election, possibly even a higher vote share than FG, it becomes unsustainable to claim they are not fit to be in government.
To do so is not just to say SF are unfit, but that the choice of 20% + of the electorate is invalid. To say that SF are unfit for government begins to reflect more on the person saying it than on SF voters. You can think they are making a wrong choice, but in a democracy its their choice to make.
This election is about many things, the economy, crime, housing, health, education, the past record of the parties and yes specifically SF links to the IRA, but it smacks of desperation that RTE and the IT as well as the political parties have focussed so much on the Paul Quinn issue in the last days of the campaign.
OK and now the comment that is going to get me in trouble. FF and FG didn't give two figs about Paul Quinn for the last 13 years, but now they are happy to use him as a stick to beat SF.
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The SF vote is not really a left vote, it's a protest vote and a populist vote. If you listened to Mary Lou on the debates there was so little detail in anything she said as to be laughable, it was all promises and soundbites, all from the Trump playbook. Don't do detail just show that you're as mad as hell with "the swamp" and tweedle dee and tweedle dum and you represent "change". It's nonsense but it worked in the UK and the US and looks like it's going to work here.
When a millionaire in the US and an Eton educated clown in the UK are agents of change why shouldn't FF-lite be regarded as change here?
When a millionaire in the US and an Eton educated clown in the UK are agents of change why shouldn't FF-lite be regarded as change here?
I was wondering how long it would be until the Dublin media got blamed...….
Just because people vote for a party doesn't legitimise them or make them suitable for government. If I set up an anti-immigrant, anti-traveller, anti-jew party and got 10% of the vote, would you welcome other parties having coalition talks with me just because 10% of people were racist enough to vote for me.
I have said previously, SF has some decent politicians but they can't cope with questions about the past. They will get away with in the North because politics is along sectarian lines (praying to God for not much longer) but that is not the case down South. Quinn was an election issue for me for the past 13 years. So was the Robert McCartney murder with 50 SF members in the toilet when it happened. When I ask SF candidates about these cases, I get told it is nothing to do with them and it was cowardly and people with information should come forward and yet they make Murphy finance minister and Hargey (who was one of them 'in the toilet) minister of communities in the North. They are a bunch of untrustworthy liars.
Mary Lou couldn't even say that Gerry Adams should apologise for saying exactly the same thing that Conor Murphy said. Why not??? Gerry Adams is a retired politician. She would have lost nothing unless there was a reason why she couldn't. Who exactly is running Sinn Fein? Same with the decision about the central Criminal Court. You are right about one thing. They should have been media issues week ago and shouldn't have taken the bravery of a grieving mother to speak out to make it one. That says a lot about political parties and media.
Just because people vote for a party doesn't legitimise them or make them suitable for government. If I set up an anti-immigrant, anti-traveller, anti-jew party and got 10% of the vote, would you welcome other parties having coalition talks with me just because 10% of people were racist enough to vote for me.
I have said previously, SF has some decent politicians but they can't cope with questions about the past. They will get away with in the North because politics is along sectarian lines (praying to God for not much longer) but that is not the case down South. Quinn was an election issue for me for the past 13 years. So was the Robert McCartney murder with 50 SF members in the toilet when it happened. When I ask SF candidates about these cases, I get told it is nothing to do with them and it was cowardly and people with information should come forward and yet they make Murphy finance minister and Hargey (who was one of them 'in the toilet) minister of communities in the North. They are a bunch of untrustworthy liars.
Mary Lou couldn't even say that Gerry Adams should apologise for saying exactly the same thing that Conor Murphy said. Why not??? Gerry Adams is a retired politician. She would have lost nothing unless there was a reason why she couldn't. Who exactly is running Sinn Fein? Same with the decision about the central Criminal Court. You are right about one thing. They should have been media issues week ago and shouldn't have taken the bravery of a grieving mother to speak out to make it one. That says a lot about political parties and media.
Just take a look at someone who was on layoff in 2010 earning 50K having started work around around 1985 would have seen around 17% to close on 20% taken in payroll PRSI up until went on layoff,
THe German and Irish rates for as long as I remember were very close to one another from around 1980s the german system the employer pays the net wage to the employee and recoups it from the social insurance fund,
The payroll social Insurance employer dropped to 14.75% when the USC came in ,form around the same rate as Germany,
The real Idiot is paddy the Irish PAYE worker since around the 1986 to this day,
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Jayz! creme that was over 150 years ago
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