"How Ireland's stock in the EU has fallen"

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A very good opinion piece in the Irish Times


The reality is that in a decade Ireland has gone from holding agriculture and rural development (a third of the EU budget), to trade (the crown jewel of the EU’s competencies) via financial services (stripped of the important bits) to the thankless task of policing wannabe European dictators under a “democracy shield”.

And while much immediate attention will focus on Fianna Fáil’s continuing naivety on European affairs (voting against von der Leyen’s reappointment) or the Irish Government’s refusal to nominate both a man and woman as requested by Brussels – these are only the latest examples of an Ireland totally out of touch with EU realities.

And those realities are grim for Ireland. Because it’s increasingly hard to refute the prevailing view of Ireland in Brussels. Principally, Ireland as a quasi-corporate tax haven. A freeloader on security and defence. An enforcer of the EU’s digital and data protection laws that has been criticised for dragging its feet. A state that constantly preaches about fiscal discipline, yet simultaneously disregards its own financial rules. A monolingual anglosphere economy that doesn’t even have a co-ordinated strategy to replace its ageing citizens working in the European institutions. The list goes on.
 
Dr Eoin Drea is senior researcher at the Wilfried Martens Centre for European Studies in Brussels, the think tank of the European People’s Party

This is the Party of which FG is a member
 
It's hard to disagree with anything he says in the article. They are fair and legitimate criticisms of this country.
 
Or in other words jog on! He might have some good points to make but terms such as that are enough to stop me taking him seriously.
Yes!

How could anomalous Ireland, by its own economic management, have the effrontery to move from a net beneficiary to a net contributor to the EU budget.
 
Yes!

How could anomalous Ireland, by its own economic management, have the effrontery to move from a net beneficiary to a net contributor to the EU budget.
Oh, oh, I'll try and answer that one; By getting massive amounts of structural funding from the EU and constructing a taxation model that entices MNC's here by effectively allowing then to steal taxes from other countries and taking a small cut for ourselves?
 
nd constructing a taxation model that entices MNC's here by effectively allowing then to steal taxes from other countries and taking a small cut for ourselves?
Please explain how that taxation was calculated under domestic legislation and the terms of the US/Ireland tax treaty prevailing at the time.
 
And while much immediate attention will focus on Fianna Fáil’s continuing naivety on European affairs (voting against von der Leyen’s reappointment) or the Irish Government’s refusal to nominate both a man and woman as requested by Brussels – these are only the latest examples of an Ireland totally out of touch with EU realities
also the shafting of Phil Hogan out of his commission job over "golfgate", Von der Leyen didn't see anything wrong in her opinion it was a minor misdiscretion and she wasn't prepared to fire Phil Hogan over it. However in our over zealousness regarding covid lockdowns
the government shouted "Crucify him, Crucify him"
Von der Leyen "but for what crime"
the government " because he sat in a hotel function room after a golf game and there were 50 people in it seperated by a temporary partition"

they were scratching their heads in Brussels over that
 
also the shafting of Phil Hogan out of his commission job over "golfgate", Von der Leyen didn't see anything wrong in her opinion it was a minor misdiscretion and she wasn't prepared to fire Phil Hogan over it. However in our over zealousness regarding covid lockdowns
the government shouted "Crucify him, Crucify him"
Von der Leyen "but for what crime"
the government " because he sat in a hotel function room after a golf game and there were 50 people in it seperated by a temporary partition"

they were scratching their heads in Brussels over that
The voluntary surrender of the Trade portfolio was an act of utter folly. Borderline treason even.
 
So ireland under Michael mcgrath now holds the justice portfolio in Europe , so how does that affect things here?
 
So ireland under Michael mcgrath now holds the justice portfolio in Europe , so how does that affect things here?
It leaves us with no leverage and no Commissioner with a budget that matters or the ability to influence decisions that matter to us economically.
In short people are sick of our sanctimonious hypocrisy.
 
But does it also mean he will be dealing with thorny issues indirectly such as about migration or even russian sabotage in Europe etc. Those are issues that ireland inc wouldn't be overly comfortable with
 
But does it also mean he will be dealing with thorny issues indirectly such as about migration or even russian sabotage in Europe etc. Those are issues that ireland inc wouldn't be overly comfortable with
Migration is certainly within his brief. It's a poisoned chalice.
 
Dr Drea is broadly right:
  1. Perception is everything, and Ireland is perceived as cheating on tax in most large member states
  2. Since 24 February 2022 the issue that dwarfs all others in Brussels is defence and security and Ireland contributes absolutely zero in this regard, in fact is actively irrelevant
  3. The joint run with Spain on recognition of a Palestinian state causes either indifference or dislike in many large member states


Ireland has also become a large net contributor to the EU budget and almost no one has noticed.
 
I suppose the main question is whether any of this matters.

It’s not as if Ireland ever had much influence with the big three.

Our biggest loss of influence was Brexit.

The UK had influence and quite often, UK and Irish interest converged.
 
The UK had influence and quite often, UK and Irish interest converged.
This is a bit of a myth.

  1. For almost the whole time Ireland was a net beneficiary and the UK a net contributor to the EU budget
  2. On tax Ireland's position has always been closest to places like the Netherlands and the UK
  3. The UK disliked farm subsidies, Ireland loved them
  4. On EU defence Ireland was always a laggard
  5. Ireland was an enthusiastic euro member from the start, the UK never was and was never going to be

For sure having similar product markets as well as legal and education systems meant that the UK and Ireland were making the same points, but the convergence of interests were overstated.
 
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