Has anyone any opinions on the BlackBee Healthcare fund?

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We also invested a substantial amount in blackbee, both the regulated and unregulated one, on the advice of our financial advisor. It's pretty much all our pension pot gone. We were not warned o any potential risks either.
 
Blackbee Alternatives promised an update this month. Anyone hear anything?

If I lose my full investment here, say for example €10,000 can I offset that full loss of €10,000 against €10,000 of any gains in the future (CGT)?
 
Hi, have invested with BlackBee Alternatives in Social Housing Series 1 and spoke with broker last wk. Not looking good. The nursing home mess seems to have created a dominoe effect and David O’Shea is now a one man band with no board to rein him in and his back to the wall. Looks like entire investment gone with little hope of any recovery.
 
Thx, am also invested with BlackBee Alternatives in Social Housing Series 1. Not happy but you live and learn I suppose.
 
Axelrose said:
Blackbee Alternatives promised an update this month. Anyone hear anything?

If I lose my full investment here, say for example €10,000 can I offset that full loss of €10,000 against €10,000 of any gains in the future (CGT)?
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No, it is not an offsetable investment.


It is impossible to follow the structures of these companies. Investors go into it thinking they are investing with Blackbee. It is only when things go wrong that they discover that there are numerous of different companies in place and it is difficult to follow the structures and which one is in trouble and which is not.
 
Annie B said:
Hi, have invested with BlackBee Alternatives in Social Housing Series 1 and spoke with broker last wk. Not looking good. The nursing home mess seems to have created a dominoe effect and David O’Shea is now a one man band with no board to rein him in and his back to the wall. Looks like entire investment gone with little hope of any recovery.
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We're slightly luckier in that one of our investments in the BlackBee/O'Shea Bubblegum Factory was "regulated" by the Central Bank so we may get some compensation - if we live long enough. :(

I'm waiting for my broker to advise me to invest in O'Shea's latest wheeze, it's called the Flying Pig Bonanza Scheme, is completely unregulated and pays huge commissions to brokers. How could it possibly go wrong?
 
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Steven Barrett said:
No, it is not an offsetable investment.


It is impossible to follow the structures of these companies. Investors go into it thinking they are investing with Blackbee. It is only when things go wrong that they discover that there are numerous of different companies in place and it is difficult to follow the structures and which one is in trouble and which is not.
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Its awful reading about all the people there invested in various Blackbee structured investment. Its like the Forrestry schemes all over again.
 
Luternau said:
Its awful reading about all the people there invested in various Blackbee structured investment. Its like the Forrestry schemes all over again.
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It might be awful reading about it but it's much worse having invested in it :D
 
Steven Barrett said:
No, it is not an offsetable investment.


It is impossible to follow the structures of these companies. Investors go into it thinking they are investing with Blackbee. It is only when things go wrong that they discover that there are numerous of different companies in place and it is difficult to follow the structures and which one is in trouble and which is not.
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Can you tell me why it's not offsetable?
Is it because it was unregulated?
Thx.
 
Marsupial said:
I can distinctly recall my broker telling me that - about 12 months ago! Only when the BlackBee cheque drops into my letterbox, will I believe it.
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100÷ agree and have been through the same myself but fingers crossed this time.
 
So Aviva are writing to investors in the Ditchley Series 3 Growth, which was the Millrace Nursing Home in Ballinasloe, Co Galway to say that the liquidator is unable to determine a value for their investment and it is being written down to zero. While this may change, it is not a good sign for investors.

A warning to those who get offered these type of investments. If you look at the waste ground of failed Irish investments, it's these small investments, run by small promoters with promises of great coupons/ returns.

Stick to the big and the trusted.
 
Interesting piece in today's Business Post (paywalled) that mentions - in passing - the omnishambles in Blackbee.

Untangling the mess at Blackbee has been hugely challenging. One piece of correspondence I’ve seen from the liquidators at EY outlined some of the problems they faced.

According to the update it was only that January, some seven months after their appointment, that the liquidators had been able to gain full access to the firm’s books and records and for O’Shea to co-operate with them.
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For me the key message is that the so-called "regulators" in the Central Bank have - not for the first time - completely failed the investor. They appear to be about as effective as a Christmas cracker paper hat in a torrential downpour.

Paywall alert: https://www.businesspost.ie/analysi...-to-repay-clients-of-failed-investment-firms/
 
Marsupial said:
Interesting piece in today's Business Post (paywalled) that mentions - in passing - the omnishambles in Blackbee.



For me the key message is that the so-called "regulators" in the Central Bank have - not for the first time - completely failed the investor. They appear to be about as effective as a Christmas cracker paper hat in a torrential downpour.

Paywall alert: https://www.businesspost.ie/analysi...-to-repay-clients-of-failed-investment-firms/
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The big failing of the Central Bank is allowing unregulated products to be wrapped in regulated ones. Some of Blackbee's investments were regulated and others are unregulated. The unregulated ones are outside the scope of the Central Bank.

As for the uncooperating directors, the only recourse is through the courts and that is always a slow process regardless.
 
Brendan Burgess said:
I haven't been following this saga. What is Aviva's role in all this?
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They have no direct involvement in the selling of these funds. But they have their self directed platform using Cantor which houses these investments. The big difference between using Aviva and say ITC for these products is commission. ITC don't have allocation rates or commission structures, Aviva do. So a broker can get paid 4% on the pension single premium pension contract and then get paid again for the loan note from the likes of Blackbee or whoever is selling them.
 
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