so who should govern in your opinion cork?
During this current election campaign MM consistently said that he would not enter government with FG or SF yet his lust for power is unquestionable.
Given the first line above I didn't think you did have a connection with FF.Disclaimer : I have nothing at all to do with Fianna Fail. Just my own observation and prediction of what is about to unfold.
I agree that is about all they could hope for. No one is going to sweep into a commanding position any time soon, so the next Government will be a FF/FG arrangement either formal or informal. But the psychological pieces are not yet in play for that. The current numbers say Michael Martin and FF would have to be the junior partner. If I were FF I would never accept that (purely at the narrow strategic level of self interest) and indeed the FF grass roots resistance as personified by Dillie O'Wee seems very strong. Now a situation with MM and FF in the driving seat and FG with a new leader might just see FG accept the junior role.That won't wash with the public Duke. If another election is called quickly there is no way the public will accept this happily and all parties will get some blame but I think FF and FG risk the biggest portion of the blame. Even if this does happen I don't think even the most optimistic FF supporter would seriously expect much change other than a swap in the numbers between themselves and FG which would leave us in pretty much the same position again. I hope and think that the parties will take a long hard considered look at the results in this election before even starting to think about what can be done to form a government. Any talk of a quick return to the electorate is highly risky and I can't see any party with the appetite for that.
Not any time soon but maybe within two years, certainly a disincentive to FF limping along in a Tallaght (2) strategy for that sort of time frame.Can't see SF fixing the issue over the leader in the short term. Think they will be keeping him in until the next presidential election. I also can't help wondering if the Northies decided to send him down south out of their way. They also have an issue that whilst everyone down south assumes Mary Lou will be the new leader, not sure the Northies would see it that way, especially given her lack of involvement in "the struggle"
So to summarise, left wing party member says right wing government is in the best interests of all Irish people!Outgoing Donegal North East TD Pádraig MacLochlainn of Sinn Féin has said that Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael should form a government because it would mean a right wing government facing a left wing opposition.
He said that this would be healthy and in the best interests of all Irish people.
By the standards of developed countries around the world it's a major stretch to describe either FF or FG as right wing.Another bizarre quote from SF
So to summarise, left wing party member says right wing government is in the best interests of all Irish people!
Point taken Purple but it just highlights the strange logic of SF that they are coming out claiming that a FF/FG coalition government would be in the best interests of the Irish people when SF object to almost every proposal in the FG and FF manifestos! SF are already in canvas mode for the next election it seems...By the standards of developed countries around the world it's a major stretch to describe either FF or FG as right wing.
We have a choice of left wing or very left wing.
Yep.If FF go into coalition with FG, it will last for the 5 years... If FF stand back and allow a FG minority government to form, it will be with the intention of bringing them down in 6 - 12 months when it suits FF and they think they have a chance of a clear run at power e.g. 60 seats or so.
Up to a point Purple. Our tax rates are progressive for sure and our social protection rates compare well. But we definitely have an unfair two tier health system compared to peers. Similarly for education, albeit to a lesser degree. Our legal system seems greatly tilted towards the elite classes - witness no convictions yet for the €65bn heist.By the standards of developed countries around the world it's a major stretch to describe either FF or FG as right wing.
We have a choice of left wing or very left wing.
But we definitely have an unfair two tier health system compared to peers.
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