truthseeker
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Will a wikipedia definition do? There are many types of freedom. Here's the definition of political freedom;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_(political)
According to that, not allowing my to travel without taking my fingerprints certainly reduces my freedom. I no longer have full domination over my public and private life. In other words, taking fingerprints at airports brings us one step closer to a totalitarian state.
My fingerprints comprise part of my private life, just as my DNA, details of my medical history and pictures of my genitals also do.No one is INTERFERING with your public or private life, theyre just looking at a bit of you!
My fingerprints comprise part of my private life, just as my DNA, details of my medical history and pictures of my genitals also do.
They aren't just 'looking' at my fingerprints, they are storing them.
Up until now criminals were fingerprinted. Now we are talking about the travelling public being fingerprinted. Are we then to move on to everyone being fingerprinted? Thus are we all to be treated like criminals?But why do you even think things would go 'further' - thats where Im lost?
I'm sure the Birmigham 6 thought the same!Id be happy to be questioned. If it turned out my fingerprints were forged Im sure it would be discovered easily enough.
Up until now criminals were fingerprinted. Now we are talking about the travelling public being fingerprinted. Are we then to move on to everyone being fingerprinted? Thus are we all to be treated like criminals?
Quick question - what is your stance on civil liberties? To me they are a part of the freedom we all enjoy.
And fair play on trying to define it because freedom is certainly a difficult thing to define, and a difficult thing to achieve. It's not something to give up lightly.
I'm sure the Birmigham 6 thought the same!
Well, yes they are.But by the definition you used, storing them does not constitute regulating your behaviour.
Well, yes they are.
For me to prevent this invasion of my privacy, I refuse to fly to the USA, or airports that take fingerprints. (See first post)
Of course we also have the issue of privacy laws and civil liberties etc.
And with fingerprints, would you be happy to be questioned if your fingerprints brought you under suspicion? Or would you feel more justification was needed than fingerprints alone?
Guys/Gals I find myself agreeing with some of both sides but one thing bugs me about this - does anyone honestly believe this will make flying safer? Do ye honestly believe that anyone wishing to go and blow up a plane full of people, knowing that fingerprinting is in place, would be caught out by this? I'm no expert but I'm sure someone devious and clever enough to mastermind something like 9/11 would find a way around these things. Meanwhile the rest of us would have yet one more thing to do to satisfy those in authority that we're one of the good guys as we go on our journey - no matter how intrusive or not you think it might be.
i think not flying to avoid being finger printed is an over-reaction.
Well put, Pique318. I suspect many people would say that storage of DNA isn't a problem either though.
Probably not, yet I bet they wouldn't hand over their bank details as quickly.
What about your kids? Would you let them be swabbed/printed ?
Well put, Pique318. I suspect many people would say that storage of DNA isn't a problem either though.
Really? Prove it.Because right now as a deterrant to criminals travelling under false identities it works.
Yes and it could never happen hereI dont live in the UK.
Not interested in facts and figures? What will change your mind? Seeing it in your horoscope ? Have you priest or local TD tell you?Throwing out statistics and quoting worst case scenarios is not going to change my mind on that.
That case was an exception rather than the rule AND their convictions were overturned later so in fact justice did win through..
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