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I said day-to-day in Ireland. That does not mean international travel. I agree that air travel has become a pain the ass but 10/20 years ago, loonies weren't flying airlines into skyscrapers.
10/20 years ago you could breeze through an airport on your way to the boarding gate - nowadays you have to remove yer shoes and belt enroute ... you're not allowed to bring large bottles of drink on with you ... your bags can be emptied and searched and regularly are ... and now at the far side you're also subjected to further checks ... you telling me this isn't an intrusion on our liberties? Sure there is argument put forward that this is all needed to prevent the "baddies" blowing us all up but I don't buy into that meself.
10/20 years ago you could breeze through an airport on your way to the boarding gate - nowadays you have to remove yer shoes and belt enroute ... you're not allowed to bring large bottles of drink on with you ... your bags can be emptied and searched and regularly are ... and now at the far side you're also subjected to further checks ... you telling me this isn't an intrusion on our liberties? Sure there is argument put forward that this is all needed to prevent the "baddies" blowing us all up but I don't buy into that meself.
I would doubt it. Try it and let us know what happens, especially if someone sees you.
In Edinburgh Airport we had someone wave a 'special stick' of a small cosmetics container to make sure is wasn't explosive. Amazing that they can check every explosive substance or pre-cursor known to man by using a simple stick.If you ever need proof that people can be treated like sheep, it's convincing them that pouring their 300 ml of shampoo into 3x100ml bottles is making them safer. (of course once you are past security you can buy a bottle and re-constitute the 300ml)
personal;ly i think it's people trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
All this talk of "this is just the start of it" is all the scare-mongers out there trying to put the frights up everyone.
I say get over it - in your normal everyday activity it has next to zero impact in your
ya - you have to take off your shoes?
So what ?
There was a shoe-bomber in teh past.
If they didn't start checking peoples shoes given teh shoe-bomber episode and another shoe-bomber blew up a plane we'd all be giving out stink.
Taking your shoes off is a farce.ya - you have to take off your shoes?
So what ?
There was a shoe-bomber in teh past.
I agree. Most of this scare-mongering and conspiracy stuff is Hollywood driven too.
Which is why its highly unlikely that your fingerprints will ever be used alone as an ID check.You can get a new passport. You can't get new fingerprints.
It's a huge deal. Once that info is out it's out. It's easily replicated data that can be copied infinitely without deterioration . Look at what happens when mp3's of a new album gets leaked, (and it only takes one CD to get in the wrong hands). It's all over the internet in a day.
So someone gets their hands on those CDs in a few month/years you have details of every person with a kid under 16 in the UK up on the Pirate Bay, USENET, whereever. No big deal? Really?
I'm fine Jack. You haven't been killed in a car crash either, so I guess that's not a problem either.
2. By your logic (that it happened in the past) what security precautions have they implemented on London Underground?
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Why the different rules - are all terrorists more likely to board an airplane?
DNA and fingerprints don't change over time.But so what? Peoples details change with time. Its just plain paranoia to worry about data that is 10 years old showing up somewhere.
which is why, for the third time, it is highly unlikely that either would be used as a stand alone ID check.DNA and fingerprints don't change over time.
It's those advocating these extra checks that are running scared in my book - me personally I'm not afraid to get on a plane and would happily do so without all these extra security checks - it's the bloody hassle of it that puts me off these days! The scare-mongering is those that think we need all these security checks to keep us nice and safe from the bad guys cause it's such a bad dangerous world out there! Yer much more likely to be attacked by a mob of drunk teenagers than to be blown up by some suicide bomber so should we all be afraid to walk down the street?
In Edinburgh Airport we had someone wave a 'special stick' of a small cosmetics container to make sure is wasn't explosive. Amazing that they can check every explosive substance or pre-cursor known to man by using a simple stick.
We were also under constant surveillance everytime we left our hotel room by the ubiquitous CCTV. Train stations were especially scary. At one small station I noticed at least 15 CCTV cameras!
I also heard the story that the airline staff are subjected to the same rigorous 'security'. They stopped a pilot going through with a bottle of contact lens solution... hmm.
How will it happen?When the IRA were murdering people in the UK, they removed all rubbish bins from the Tube and added a huge amount of surveillance cameras. The Tube was regularly shut down in the 80s/90s due to suspect packages spotted on camera. I can imagine it would be extremely difficult to make the security as tight as an airport to deter suicide bombers but it may happen some day.
How about bombing the London Underground under the Thames, and flooding a huge portion of it?Well a plane as displayed on 9/11 can certainly be used to far better effect for causing destruction than say a bus on 7/7.
That would probably be one reason why there are more security checks in getting ona plane.
I'm willing to give up some of my privacy if it is good for me and it's done with my consent, but just so that BAA can route me via their useless shops, please....
So Scotland is the safest place in the world then is it?Not sure if your being serious here ' we were under constant surveillance everytime we left our hotel room' I mean either you are a dangerous man or have a great sense of self importance. CCTV camera are there as security, maybe if people stopped vandalising property, committing crimes, putting in dodgy claims etc then there would be far less of a need for security cameras.
They are though, aren't they? - I'm pretty sure fingerprints are used as a stand alone ID check for timekeeping systems etc, and DNA has often been used by courts to identify people.DNA and fingerprints don't change over time.
which is why, for the third time, it is highly unlikely that either would be used as a stand alone ID check.
No need to get personal qwerty! You don't think it's hassle at airports these days, I do - we don't agree, as ye say yerself big deal, so what? Do ye think by getting personal you'll change my mind? I don't believe I'm grumbling here either - merely making my point.Answer me this Ceist Beag - in your regular day to day activity are you in any way less free than you were,say, 10 years ago?
Like- is all this huffing and puffing by you seriously because you have to queue up for 15 minutes exta at the airport ?
because if it is, then i'd hate to meet you when you have a proper problem to grumble about.
My point is I don't fear being blown up on a plane - 9/11 has no impact on my personal opinion on the safety of flying - if I was to believe all these security checks are necessary I'd imagine I'd be a bit of a nervous wreck! I think it's all just window dressing to make it look like they're doing something to make us all feel nice and safe.And it is because of these checks that make it far less likely you will be blown up in a plane.
If these checks didn't occur, the likelihood of beiung blown up in a plane would be far greater,albeit still very slim.