Exactly, and a lot of the problems with the existing public transport is down to getting clogged up in traffic. It's often quicker to walk around Dublin than get the bus.If we wait until the perfect solution is available nothing will ever get done.
This is of course true, but doesn’t negate the pressing need for heavy rail passing under the city centre in a tunnel, ideally two of them!It's often quicker to walk around Dublin than get the bus.
More lies and spin from the Irish Times. That’s not what that shows! People in cars spend 20% because there’s less of them.Yes, the stats show that people who drive spend the least.
Public transport users and walkers ‘spend most in Dublin shops’
Car-based shoppers account for only €1 in every €5 spent in city, NTA research findswww.irishtimes.com
My son is going to UCD. The bus takes 52 minutes. He can walk it in 54 minutes. He walks. That's not a good public transport system, not even close.Exactly, and a lot of the problems with the existing public transport is down to getting clogged up in traffic. It's often quicker to walk around Dublin than get the bus.
Replacing the one person in their car with 60 people in a bus will mean more spent in the city.More lies and spin from the Irish Times. That’s not what that shows! People in cars spend 20% because there’s less of them.
“CAR DRIVERS ARE THE BIGGEST SPENDERS INDIVIDUALLY” being the key line…
Is there any particular cause and effect conclusion you draw from that key line?More lies and spin from the Irish Times. That’s not what that shows! People in cars spend 20% because there’s less of them.
“CAR DRIVERS ARE THE BIGGEST SPENDERS INDIVIDUALLY” being the key line…
Which is a strawman argument. Banning cars from the City Centre won’t attract more people. The salient point is that car drivers spend more.Replacing the one person in their car with 60 people in a bus will mean more spent in the city.
Yes, that shop owners in the city centre will lose out if cars are banned because higher spender punters will go to places like Dundrum.Is there any particular cause and effect conclusion you draw from that key line?
Banning cars will enable more buses and more people. Shoppers would be able to walk between shopping areas more easily to spend their money.Which is a strawman argument. Banning cars from the City Centre won’t attract more people. The salient point is that car drivers spend more.
Fortunately cars are not going to be banned.Yes, that shop owners in the city centre will lose out if cars are banned because higher spender punters will go to places like Dundrum.
What is your logic or evidence base for saying that banning cars wouldn't attract more people?Which is a strawman argument. Banning cars from the City Centre won’t attract more people. The salient point is that car drivers spend more.
+1If we wait until the perfect solution is available nothing will ever get done.
The town where I live is serviced by train, Bus Éireann and also Dublin bus. There are viable alternatives yet still people take cars into the city. Then once in the city they complain about traffic. Then repeat.
Something needs to be done to disincentivize cars in the city. In the long term it will be for the best.
Fortunately cars are not going to be banned.
But in the event of severe restrictions, it's reasonable to assume that some high spending people who would have driven into Dublin to ship would drive elsewhere, some would take public transport in to spend their money, and some additional peiole would be attracted in to shop as it would be a more pleasant experience. Hard to say what the net effect would be.
Unfortunately, rather than listening to the Greens, they listen to a bunch of people who think that the stench of traffic fumes smells of individual liberty and sticking it to the woke anti car brigade.They built the Dart, it was a success, transporting thousands of commuters, every day.
They built the Luas, it was a success, again, transporting thousands of commuters, every day.
They deferred Dart Underground, on numerous occasions, dating back over 30 years. There's been nothing but commuter and transport problems along the intend route, throughout that 30 year period.
They've deferred Metro North on numerous occasions, probably dating back over 20 years, at this stage. There's been nothing but commuter and transport problems along the intend route, throughout that 20 year (or more) period.
There's a lesson there, for the clowns that we've empowered, who continue to make one bad decision, after another....
Unfortunately, rather than listening to the Greens, they listen to a bunch of people who think that the stench of traffic fumes smells of individual liberty and sticking it to the woke anti car brigade.
It doesn’t matter whether it attracts more people! It won’t attract more spending is the key point. If I’m a retailer in the city centre I want car drivers coming in and spending money in my shop because it’s proven that they spend the most. It’s not the case that discouraging cars will put those bigger spenders onto public transport. They won’t come at all.What is your logic or evidence base for saying that banning cars wouldn't attract more people?
It is not proven what would happen if cars were banned. I drive into Dublin to shop sometimes. If cars were banned, I would take the train b3cause I like shopping in Dublin.It doesn’t matter whether it attracts more people! It won’t attract more spending is the key point. If I’m a retailer in the city centre I want car drivers coming in and spending money in my shop because it’s proven that they spend the most. It’s not the case that discouraging cars will put those bigger spenders onto public transport. They won’t come at all.
But as a retailer, most of you revenue is coming from people who don't drive. There's no way of increasing the number of drivers; there's no room for them.It doesn’t matter whether it attracts more people! It won’t attract more spending is the key point. If I’m a retailer in the city centre I want car drivers coming in and spending money in my shop because it’s proven that they spend the most. It’s not the case that discouraging cars will put those bigger spenders onto public transport. They won’t come at all.
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