Stamp duty?? also interest on 1.75million for a year? The amount of their own time they spent on the project.I noticed a lot of asking price drops in Rathfarnam lately. Many of the houses towards the end of the myhome search have seen substantial price drops. One house caught my attention, it shows how speculators and amateur property "developers" can get caught in a weakening market.
This couple bought a house in Rathfarnam for 1.15M in June last year. They spent six months and €500,000 renovating it along with €103,500 in stamp duty. So a total spend of about €1,753,500. It failed to sell at auction in May and following the auction it was quoting €2.1M
Their story is told in this article:
http://www.propertyinvesting.net/cgi-script/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=default.db3744&command=viewonex
And now it has dropped to €1,750,000 on myhome.
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So after six months of what sounds like a horrific renovation project it's looking like a zero return. If it sells! If market sentiment had not changed , rising prices would have saved them but it's no longer a one-way bet.
On daft figures... (yes, I know)
I thought that increasing inventory from the daft site would be the first obvious sign of edginess in the market.
I have no doubt that those running the site are only all too aware of this aswell - especially when you consider that half the bears on here are watching this figure. Were I in charge of daft, I would keep the number of houses online for sale at a steady level, whilst increasing the turnover of the number of houses, for fear of sparking a 'mad rush'. As people get more desperate to sell, they don't mind paying the advertising fee more regularly even though it's only for a short period of time.
Anyone know how daft.ie sales work? How many days does your property stay online for? Is it random? Or is it until the house is sold?
Please read prev postings on why daft figures cannot/should not be used in terms of sale etc etc.
with regard to the posting above on renting etc... I have noticed (in the Cork City section of daft lettings), that many premises for rent do not remain up there for long - they get snapped up fairly quickly as far as I can see. I don't know what the dynamics are on why stuff goes up there & moves pretty quickly ... perhaps as university term is about to commence soon enough?
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Maybe I have made one of the worst decisions of my life but only time will tell, so far I couldn’t be happier!!
Hi Guys,
I have been following this thread for a while now and am fascinated. I have held the opinion for some time now that a slowdown is unavoidable and will begin sooner rather than later. I cannot see drops of 40/50% by xmas that were predicted by some but I can see prices stalling for a few months before sellers panic and start to drop asking prices.
I was in the process of buying an apt myself but just pulled out last week. This was about 20% down to problems with contracts/management Company and 80% our gut feeling that prices are close to their peak. I'd also like to state that I was only buying so we could have a place to live and to avoid throwing 12k p/a into our landlords bank account, and not to make money on capital appreciation.
I am pretty good when it comes to managing finances and I work for a major bank so I would have decent knowledge of mortgage products etc, however looking back I can see that all my logic and my head telling me "do I want to pay €1500 of my salary every month to live in a shoebox of apartment with no outside space, crap build quality and a generally give up going for dinner/pints/holidays" was totally overruled by a desire just to have our own place, somewhere that is really "our home" and that we can alter/decorate/furnish just as we want it and to be forever rid of landlords bleeding magnolia paint everywhere!!
Even though everyone has called me crazy to give up on "getting on the ladder" (man I hate that saying), I feel as though a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders. Renting doesn’t seem so bad anymore, I may be paying out "dead money" every month but hey I live my favorite part of Dublin, we are close to all our favorite friends/pubs/restaurants/parks and 20 mins walk to work.
To all FTB's out there, everyone (i.e. parents/friends/family/colleagues) don’t have to pay your huge mortgage, live in your crappy ("1st rung on the ladder") apt, sit (or stand) on your cramped bus/train on your daily commute from the only area you could afford to buy in and they wont be with you when you are staying awake at night worrying when interest rate rises are robbing you of what little disposable income you have left.
Once you take a step back and look at things with some semblance of logic you will be able to forget about everyone else and do whats right for you and makes you happy!!
Maybe I have made one of the worst decisions of my life but only time will tell, so far I couldn’t be happier!!
BTW, that couple spending 2m on house, they're just like 1000's of others throughout UK/Ireland who watch property shows on BBC/C4 that show saps that don’t have a clue how to manage a project/budget, don’t have a clue about the market they are entering or construction and still manage to make 6 figure profits, and they think to themselves, "I’ll have some of that easy money too".
Good post, and good for you. Is this post and are you, really indicative of sentiment out there, or as I still think, is this thread just a fringe minority of "clear thinkers"?
Good one JackBhoy.
Good decision .....
Good post, and good for you. .......
Where is this development?
I think there's a growing awareness that things have changed in the market. Even looking at new builds, developments that had been sold out have properties available again due to cancellations.
Today I noticed a pre-completion apartment for sale (probably a flipper) in a new development in south Dublin. It has been for sale for about three months. The vendor had been selling the apartment for 15k below the builder. As it is pre-completion, there is no stamp duty. Today they dropped their price to 30k below the builder. The current phase of these apartments had sold out - now there's a flipper selling at 30k below and the builder is re-advertising units for sale at the original price!
5% - See above : http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showpost.php?p=261130&postcount=2205What percentage of the asking price is this 30K?
Cheers, a sizeable drop I would say. I wonder what the builders will have to say when they see this, not to mention someone who had coughed up the full €590k.......
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