CuriousGeorge11
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In all fairness, it's very hard for Saylor to respond to waffle and when that waffle comes from someone who hasn't got a proper grasp of the subject (yet), then what can you expect?DMcW kept rolling out his nonsense and it was clear that Saylor didn’t agree with or understand what he was banging on about (neither did I).
Just some of the low lights:
I suppose you can try hard to not understand his point if you're diametrically opposed to it, DukeBTC is energy which is thermonuclearly sound and can travel thru time and space (Einstein roll over)
How is the El Sal experiment going 'off the rails'? I'm here - I haven't seen any 'off the rails' aspects to it. The photo I just took below suggests education and adoption.cryptocurrency is totally wrong nomenclature, it is crypto property - it is not a currency (gosh I agree)
The El Sal experiment is going off the rails because they are treating it as a currency (where did they get that idea, I cuda told them that leaving property to their great, great, great, grandchildren is a not a number one priority for the folk of El Sal)
I didn't catch that when I listened to it. Can you provide the timestamp for the point in the interview where this was discussed?Folk should have all their pension fund in BTC
Yeah, those that don't get it can have their savings pilfered via the melting ice cube that is fiat if they won't listen. I'm fine with that so long as I have full freedom to maintain full control over my own savings - and that I can be assured that it retains its buying power. That's all I ever wanted from btc when I first came across it. I didn't understand that to get there we'd have to go through this long, protracted adoption process with it being overpriced and underpriced at times - and all the other risks and growing pains. But that's alright - if I'm getting paid a premium to take on those risks as an early adopter, that works too.Mind you I’ll keep anything I might need in this mortal coil in The God He Trusts.
AgreedIn all fairness, it's very hard for Saylor to respond to waffle and when that waffle comes from someone who hasn't got a proper grasp of the subject (yet), then what can you expect?
He has no basis for that claim at all. 12 years of the most turbulent price history albeit on balance spectacularly upwards is no proof at all that this will be around for his great, great, great, grandchildren. All the cult high priests that I have read concede that there is a non negligible chance it will go to zero. I think you agree with that or at least that it is possible that his g,g,g,g children will be into bitcoin series 10.On the 'time' aspect, his claim is that bitcoin holds its value over a long time horizon
They have made it very clear that they target reducing its purchasing power by 2% per annum. Do you want them to draw diagrams?Cash is a melting ice cube. Incidentally, did you manage to find any government or banking industry warning or advice directing citizens NOT to hold their savings in fiat?
It was just that Saylor said that what El Sal "got wrong" was calling it a currency but I can certainly believe you if you say he is talking BS.How is the El Sal experiment going 'off the rails'? I'm here - I haven't seen any 'off the rails' aspects to it.
Around about 30 mins. No store of value left. Cash, bonds, gold, equities all rubbish. Money broken. Retiree no choice but to invest in risky assets (he has a point there). But now we have a "savings account in cyber space suitable for anyone who cannot run their own hedge fund". Doesn't sound like advice to put 2% of your portfolio in crypto as a diversification play. McWilliams went into brown nose overdrive at this point "That was very well put."I didn't catch that when I listened to it. Can you provide the timestamp for the point in the interview where this was discussed?
He has no basis for that claim at all. 12 years of the most turbulent price history albeit on balance spectacularly upwards is no proof at all that this will be around for his great, great, great, grandchildren. All the cult high priests that I have read concede that there is a non negligible chance it will go to zero. I think you agree with that or at least that it is possible that his g,g,g,g children will be into bitcoin series 10.
I don't give a ... It's like some chav rocks up and says I'm going to relieve you of just X % of your possessions and you should appreciate that. Tell u what.. let's get this bedded down to a point we can opt out of that crap and you boomers can keep getting ridden - that works for me (and by the way its never 2% in reality - that's a fairytale).They have made it very clear that they target reducing its purchasing power by 2% per annum.
I've been living in Latin America for quite a few years. They're an exceptionally polite people..but disrespect them and watch what happens. So i invite you to drop over to this part of the world and come out with that bile. I'll make sure to bring some natives along.Do you want them to draw diagrams?
Get out of it Duke! Now I'm buying you a ticket to come out here as that's even worse than your statement above!Now investing in interest bearing deposits has kept pace with inflation over the last century and does belong in a pension portfolio.
I'm just saying that it's being misunderstood. Saylor comes from a highly regulated world and applies a different use case. I'm sure he wants to go out of his way to demonstrate how non-threatening bitcoin is. I kind of agree with him anyway with the caveat that it's necessary to have the ability to spend btc should an individual have cause to do so. He doesn't need that so much for bitcoin to be otherwise successful as a store of value but the world needs that - so that when some clowns in government screw things up (deliberately or otherwise), there's an immediate plan b available.It was just that Saylor said that what El Sal "got wrong" was calling it a currency but I can certainly believe you if you say he is talking BS.
So he NEVER said what you claimed ( i.e. put ALL pension fund in BTC ) and you're playing to the AAM peanut gallery with that false claim.Around about 30 mins. No store of value left. Cash, bonds, gold, equities all rubbish. Money broken. Retiree no choice but to invest in risky assets (he has a point there). But now we have a "savings account in cyber space suitable for anyone who cannot run their own hedge fund". Doesn't sound like advice to put 2% of your portfolio in crypto as a diversification play. McWilliams went into brown nose overdrive at this point "That was very well put."
Indeed - except we're talking about bitcoin here rather than crypto. There's a distinction. None of the categories of 'diversity' in your tweet apply.Couldn’t resist.
I think peeps in the conventional markets are getting short changed here. Are there no 'thoughts and prayers' for Netflix investors at all? - the poor craturs nursing their 74% loss over the past 6 months.Thoughts and prayers for the people who have lost their shirts in the past 6 months.
Which 'derivatives' do you have in mind exactly?No, comparing Bitcoin, or indeed its derivatives, to a ponzi scheme is not unfair.
Indeed.As it's the truth
In the Madoff Ponzi, victims were able to get 70% compensation from the crooks. There will be no compensation for the victims of the Bitcoin BOHA.No, comparing Bitcoin, or indeed its derivatives, to a ponzi scheme is not unfair.
As it's the truth
Prayers for the poor people of El SalvadorHave you no prayers for those of us who bet against it and lost our shorts?
Brendan
I wasn't aware they'd been buying stonksPrayers for the poor people of El Salvador
I'd almost agree with you if you hadn't run with the 'bag of hot air' commentary. On that we won't agree.At least if they had a well diversified portfolio that only included some stonks they'd be fairly insulated. I know a fair few 20 somethings who's only exposure is to this bag of hot air. I would wager that there is far more concentration risk associated with Bitcoin hodlers than pretty much any other class of investor.
Professor Stolfi said:Features 1 and 2 make the scheme a fraud, rather than simply a bad investment (or bad "musical chairs" gambling game). As a minimum, the operators should warn investors of the negative-sum character and negative expected profit. In the case of bitcoin (and all other cryptos), not only that does not happen, but there are thousands of promoters and "investment experts" who predict impressive price increases and/or claim that bitcoin will have massive uses in the future that would somehow make it valuable. Apart from the mendacity of those claims, those promoters never point out that such massive uses would not translate into revenue for the investors.
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