Obama deported more people than Trump. His policies in the Middle East were an utter disaster and caused tens of thousands of deaths.Not sure how a negative can be considered an "achievement".
His actions in regards to travel bans, forcibly separating children from their parents, extortion, and racism will be his legacy.
The overthrow of gadaffi, then the refusal to stand behind Mubarak in Egypt even though that had been the US policy since the 80s, caused the election of the Muslim brotherhood. Then all these changes caused the "Arab spring" uprising in Syria, then the collapse of the Syrian state , the resurgence of Islamic extremists in Iraq which merged with extremists in Syria causing Isis. After causing all that Obama refused to confront the monster he was instrumental in creating. Remember he did nothing when the yazidis were being massacred in the mountains in Iraq by Isis. If Obama had left gadaffi in Libya and Mubarak in Egypt there would be no "Arab spring" and no Syria uprising.Obama deported more people than Trump. His policies in the Middle East were an utter disaster and caused tens of thousands of deaths.
I know the US was there before he was elected but he turned it into what we remember
| Date | Total Personnel |
|---|---|
| 31 December 1960 | 900 |
| 31 December 1961 | 3,200 |
| 31 December 1962 | 11,500 |
| 31 December 1963 | 16,300 |
| 31 December 1964 | 23,300 |
| 31 December 1965 | 184,300 |
| 31 December 1966 | 425,300 |
| 31 December 1967 | 485,600 |
| 31 December 1968 | 536,100 |
| 31 December 1969 | 474,400 |
| 31 December 1970 | 335,800 |
| 9 June 1971 | 250,900 |
Eisenhower resisted direct US Military involvement in Vietnam, knowing that it was an unwinnable war. Kennedy sent a detachment of Green Berets to operate as special forces in 1961. It was also Kennedy that escalated the troop numbers from 900 to 16,000. Without that the later excitation by Johnson wouldn't have happened as it was the attack on the USS Maddox that led Johnson to start air strikes and the Westmoreland expansion and Operation Rolling Thunder etc.I wouldnt agree with that.
Here is a timeline of troop deployment to Vietnam. 1965 was a massive escalation.
Total US Military Personnel in Vietnam
Date Total Personnel 31 December 1960 900 31 December 1961 3,200 31 December 1962 11,500 31 December 1963 16,300 31 December 1964 23,300 31 December 1965 184,300 31 December 1966 425,300 31 December 1967 485,600 31 December 1968 536,100 31 December 1969 474,400 31 December 1970 335,800 9 June 1971 250,900
1965 also saw casualties jump from 206 in 1964 to 1,863 in 1965. Trebling the year after in 1966 to 6,143.
JFK was a reluctant actor when it came to Vietnam. He was indecisive, and ultimately in my view, preferring not to get involved.
To get back on track
My comment was in relation to what Trumps legacy will be - not a comparison to actions by previous holders of the office.Obama deported more people than Trump. His policies in the Middle East were an utter disaster and caused tens of thousands of deaths.
Clinton did more damage to Black Americans that any president since Nixon. He was also guilty of sexual abuses worse than Trump and has been accused of rape by two women.
I despise Trump but the bar isn't set very high.
The timeline thing complicates the question. To simplify it I chose between the following 3Fair points.
I suppose the thing about Brexit is it has a looming deadline, 31 December.
US President inauguration is 23 January or thereabouts.
Covid I rank least important as it doesn’t have a deadline. Though I’d take 24 January.
like everyone else except Wolfie I would hate to see that guy’s ego wallow in another win
Now Wolfie, you can't have your cake and eat it. This is a two horse race. Come the morning of November 4th you will be the only one in the 26 counties rooting for The Donald.On the contrary, the thoughts of four more years of Trump noise and bedlam is depressing. That said, most of it is just noise and just a case of switching it off.
Clearly a Covid vaccine, no contest.So after all that which one of the three would you like to see resolved , only one .
Wow. Pulling out of the Paris Climate Change agreement would be his single biggest screw up in my view but the damage he’s done to America’s soft power, and the vacuum that’s left which is being filed by police states like China and Russia is also high on the list.On the contrary, the thoughts of four more years of Trump noise and bedlam is depressing. That said, most of it is just noise and just a case of switching it off.
His bug-bear was trade imbalances with China and others, and illegal immigration. He got to put his tariffs on, and god knows what is happening with his wall. But that is about the extent of it from him.
I'd be more concerned about Biden, no stranger to shady foreign dealings either. I think the guy is ready made for a puppet president, subservient to the interests of big corporate energy and military industrial complex. Biden is liable to cause the US much more damage imo.
Although I hope I'm wrong as I expect he will win.
Pulling out of the Paris Climate Change agreement would be his single biggest screw up
I presume you are referring to the ME and Syria here where the Trump policy is to disengage and leave the ME to others, so far the vacuum has been filled by Russia. But a question, if that is the case and US foreign policy has caused alot of the trouble there, then surely the vacuum should be filled by Europe seen as the ME is much more important to Europe than it is to the US. Why are we so engaged by who is the president of the US and what their foreign policy is? What is Europe's foreign policy in the ME and would a european alliance confront Isis, Turkey or Russia if they start causing problems there? That is the real vacuum , European foreign policy!but the damage he’s done to America’s soft power, and the vacuum that’s left which is being filed by police states like China and Russia is also high on the list.
That is the real vacuum , European foreign policy!
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