What will happen if the vote to amalgamate passes initially but the subsequent changes to the by-laws and constitution fail?There is no second round of voting.
If the proposal is approved tomorrow there will be at a later stage, a meeting of each institute to ratify bye-laws and constitutional changes respectively.
Realistically they won't fail unless they make a thorough mess of them. I'd imagine that by now at least the outlines of the bye law and constitutional changes have been agreed internally within both organisations.What will happen if the vote to amalgamate passes initially but the subsequent changes to the by-laws and constitution fail?
I guess they can sell one building (CPA) and share facilities in Pearse street
negotiated this ‘deal’ should be taken to to the roof of the white elephant that is Chartered Accountants House and thrown off it.
So let me get this straight…people who work for the Institute think that the Institute’s proposal to bail it out financially is a good idea.Again I would encourage you to take a look at the institutes website and social media channels and note the positivity of professional accountancy educators.
We need to back the board with regards this proposal. Going on about Chartered Accountants House is like bemoaning spilt milk
This is a good proposal for the accountancy profession on the island. The boards of both institutes deserve both credit and backing. I have nothing but confidence in the profession going forward.
A superb basis for amalgamating…
I should sell my house and move in with a family down the road.
Imagine the savings we could all make!
The red line issue here is allowing CPAs to use the ACA/FCA designation. They haven’t earned it and they don’t deserve it. Whoever negotiated this ‘deal’ should be taken to to the roof of the white elephant that is Chartered Accountants House and thrown off it.
If chartered isn’t such a recognised brand why does it attract infinitely more members, why do the big four mandate it?
100% Robert, the tone of superiority on this thread is like something from the " old boys club". I have a friend/ colleague who did brave both battlefields and the exams and syllabus are of same standard. Given the dwindling numbers of students entering the profession I hope this get passed, not to add CA to my title, titles are not the measure of a good accountant.University Lecturer and Professor of Accounting at University of Ulster and UCD who actually set and lecture the exams for both CPA and CA have gone on record that the exams and syllabus of both institutes are of the same standard. Now, unless you've braved both battlefields yourself, perhaps it’s best to shelve the superiority complex. Clutching onto your CA title as if it's a lifebuoy in choppy waters screams of insecurity. Rest easy, no one's prying that cherished designation from your hands.
This supposed superiority of the Chartered “brand” is, in my experience, a myth perpetuated within our own echo chambers. The only people who think Chartered have a good brand are other Chartered members. It's actually quite a poor brand. The general public cannot distinguish between Chartered and CPA, a broader protection of the term 'Accountant' might serve the profession better but that’s a discussion for another day.
Why did your colleague do both sets of exams ?100% Robert, the tone of superiority on this thread is like something from the " old boys club". I have a friend/ colleague who did brave both battlefields and the exams and syllabus are of same standard. Given the dwindling numbers of students entering the profession I hope this get passed, not to add CA to my title, titles are not the measure of a good accountant.
I could list hundreds of Chartered Accountants in prominent positions in business and finance.
University Lecturer and Professor of Accounting at University of Ulster and UCD who actually set and lecture the exams for both CPA and CA have gone on record that the exams and syllabus of both institutes are of the same standard. Now, unless you've braved both battlefields yourself, perhaps it’s best to shelve the superiority complex.
Mr. McGibney's observations strike a prophetic chord, perhaps not in the manner he intended. He's hit the nail on the head regarding the discontent within the ranks. If you ask Chartered members what their view is on their institute, it ranges from indifferent to disillusioned. If you ask CPA members, it ranges from indifferent to a genuine fondness for their institute.Chartered Accountants Ireland has been on the slide for years if not decades and is despised by a good cross-section of its own membership. A montage of Accountancy Ireland magazine covers over the past 5 years would make for alternately disturbing and comedic viewing, indicative of an organisation that has badly lost its way.
That said, I think it's most unhelpful and unprofessional to denigrate other professional accountants.
we could be left with a vacuum that could very well see the lunatics take over the 'asylum' by those same voices of discord and divisiveness that we see here.
Couldn't "balance" the chartered questions?Why did your colleague do both sets of exams ?
Passed on CPA side.Any results from either side?
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