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There may be Belgium registered Multinational company's for tax reason looking in who use Belgium to get money back home
 
A well-reasoned argument that lifts the level of debate above the pond life of cretinous You Tube posters.
The reality is Ireland's fortunes are inextricably linked with the UK and not the EU.
Ireland has a unique opportunity,because of Northern Ireland,to exercise real influence in the upcoming debates if only Kenny grew a pair of cojones and looked beyond being Merkel's lapdog in order to secure a lucrative EU sinecure when his time runs out in Irish politics.
The people in this country are once again being sold short by their political masters.
 

Well then, let's join the Brits and bring the Belgians with us out of the EU.
 
Leper said:
Well then, let's join the Brits and bring the Belgians with us out of the EU.
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Sadly history has shown - remember the Lisbon Treaty votes - that the Irish people are easily coerced by threats from outside.
There is hardly any real debate on an Irexit in this country with the mainstream media slavishly lapping up what its political masters want.
The Irish Times and RTE are Ireland's versions of The Guardian and BBC.Watch how they will cover the next real test of anti-EU sentiment,the Dutch general election, where the Leavers will be portrayed as spittle-flecked racists and the Remainers the last bastion of liberal consensus.
 
I must remember to ignore posts made at quarter to midnight of a Friday night.

A bit off topic but I have just noticed that my favourite team, Everton, have a goal difference greater than all the rest of the Premier League (wait for it...) combined. Yet they are only in 7th position They should immediately exit this iniquitous league.

Meanwhile, back on topic, John Longworth (you know him Nige?) of Leave means Leave will tell an audience of German businessmen that tariffs on UK imports holds no fear as the UK government will simply pay these Wow! If we could only rely on 27 countries to keep the head down and not point out the utter nonsense that this is, nobody else need contribute anything to the EU budget ever again. Actually come to think of it John must have gone to the same "combined" school of math as OP
 
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Thats seems likely to be true. However wont the additional tariffs add to the cost of doing business.
 
I am coming to the conclusion that actually Brexit may be a stalking horse.

If/when Britain leaves the EU, its terms of trade with the EU will worsen and Britain will be poorer as a result. It may forge new trading links which will more than offset this, while I very much doubt that, no one can tell the future.

However perhaps the real issue is what type of country the post EU Britain will be.

Will it have a high level of workers rights, will it have strong product safety standards, will it enforce strong environmental protection measures on business. These are all decisions that Britain will have to take for itself, of course in practice that means the current government will take these decisions. More real power over the future of Britain than any government since Atlee.

The answers to these questions, for a generation to come, will be set by the current parliament. That may be Cameron's real legacy.
 
I'm inclined to agree with this. For example last month, Rudolf Mellinghoff, a judge in the German fiscal court, is reported as saying that the EC should punish Ireland, and not Apple, over the 'state aid to industry' issue [broken link removed] and . By any reasonable standard it is unacceptable for a judge to call for a punishment not only when a case is under appeal but also to call for action to be taken against a party that is not under charge. I don't have a subscription to the article, but I don't remember seeing this reported in any of the Irish media. Or indeed any Irish politician taking him to task on it. In our common law system, we would not expect a judge to speak out on a specific case, or indeed to call for a specific finding. It's not justice as we know it, and is another example of the 'rotten heart of Europe'. The point being, I don't think we have any friends in the EU and our national interests, on which nobody appears to agree, will be ignored in the Brexit negotiations.
 
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The EU is rotten to the core.
If the freedom of goods,services and people is so sacrosanct why do Irish people have to pay import duty (VRT)on cars they can buy cheaper elsewhere in Europe ?
 
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why do Irish people have to pay import duty (VRT)on cars they can buy cheaper elsewhere in Europe ?
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I dont know, why ?

Is it because the EU requires it ? Or is it because the Irish government got a special exemption on the basis that we would cry if we couldn't make people pay this extra tax ?
 
VRT is of course not an import tax, they're illegal under EU rules. It is a registration tax. It applies equally to imported cars and to Irish made cars. Irish solution
 
call it what you like It was brought in after lobbying by the vehicle dealers to stop People inporting vehicles into Ireland after our much treasured EU single market came into force in 1993. vrt was introduced in the 1992 finance act by the Government to get round the implications of the single market.The EU has commented that although vrt is legal it is totally contary to the spirit of the single market and has recommended that it be phased out over 5 yo 10 years , this recommendation was made in 2005 so far no action has being taken by the Government to phase out vrt,For the record I know vrt brought in 400 million in 2016. Maybe the UK could bring in a national registration tax for everyone including uk born and stay in the EU.We could allow any uk person who wanted to avoid paying to pop over to have there babies under the common travel arrangments.We are good at this sort of thing.Irish solution to a UK problem.
 
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Leo.There has being a massive jump in net exports In 2015 26.3% Over 200% more than we exported in 2015 to the UK.
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This doesn't actually make any sense. Can you explain the point you are trying to make? And also answer the previous question...

Taking the 'There has being a massive jump in net exports In 2015' piece. What jump are you talking about? Focusing just on the UK, there was a drop in the value of export to the UK in 2015 from €23.4B to €19.9B.

Official November numbers were just published last week, so we'll need to wait while yet to see the overall picture for 2016.
 
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The EU is rotten to the core.
If the freedom of goods,services and people is so sacrosanct why do Irish people have to pay import duty (VRT)on cars they can buy cheaper elsewhere in Europe ?
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I do not like (the EU is rotten to the core) to be left unchallenged.That is far far too broad an accusation.Please moderate such unthought out comments, and that is NOT to say EU is a bastion of virtue !.
 
Don't expect Wahaay to row back on such statements Gerry. He/She seems to come from the Trump school of post truths (such as the statement made in the very first post in this thread which the Duke has repeatedly asked to be revoked or the statement about McLaren being a car dealership in the UK) - I've yet to see a climb down or even a reply to any of the obvious falsehoods.

BTW are we allowed these days to call out a lie as a lie? It seems there are many ways of now this (post truths, falsehoods, and now "alternative facts") but wouldn't it be much easier for everyone if we just called them lies...
 
Leo I came on to this brexit 1017 to post on what i am seeing happening and to learn from other posters point of view both for and against.I am involved in costing where we source material and services add value and export out of our country .In my line of work I am in direct contact with UK firms who supply products and services to Irish multinationals companies lots of them spotted the opening in Ireland when there own industries started to decline .Sometimes they even Joke saying Ireland 15% tax benefit the UK every bit as much as it benefit Ireland . They look after Ireland its very important to them.There view which could be sales talk but I suspect they are correct .There view and it is backed up by what they said when Ireland joined the Euro they purchased more inputs from the EU as a hedge against Sterling.There view is a hard Brexit of a soft brexit one tariff will cancell out the other because of this.There view is that the UK/EU will want to sort Brexit out in a short time frame for market reasons .UK and the big EU member states will be looking to structure brexit if it happens so other members do not follow UK out of EU they both have a vested interest in not letting this happen

When we talked to one of our largest customers in Germany with 4bn in sales world wide they are not expecting we will need to move away from any of our UK suppliers used in making there parts (vender approval is required and can take a long time to get re certified approval)`

Now to get to the Unfair statment That my post was Tantomount to trolling I can tell you I was not. I am sure some people thought the people bertie said should commit suicide were trolling.

If after Bretix we had another scare like mad cows disease I would expect the UK like almost every other country outside the single market would stop buying straight away some are now only allowing product back in years later.

Leo I well get back to you on another post when I get a chance thanks jjm
 
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So you still can't clarify any of the direct questions asked or back up your assertions or the numbers you've posted to date and just post more rambling thoughts based on conjecture or anecdote. That very much is trolling.
 
Leo
Lets start with your post 193 Your statement there was a drop of the value of exports to the UK in 2015 from 23.4 B to 19.9 B show me where You got that If i am wrong I will admit it
 
jjm2016 said:
Leo
Lets start with your post 193 Your statement there was a drop of the value of exports to the UK in 2015 from 23.4 B to 19.9 B show me where You got that If i am wrong I will admit it
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Apologies, the €23.4 to €19.9 is the drop in UK exports to Ireland, the Ireland to UK exports dropped from €15.5B to €14.7B. So no massive increase as you claimed, but a drop over a year in which total exports rose by almost 20%. The number are from HMRC via the [broken link removed].
 
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