DazedInPontoon
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I still feel the same - I would not be surprised if they sell some or all of it, or if they buy more.Oh yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he bought bitcoin, or has held some for a long time, or never buys any and is just amused by it, and I wouldn't read much into his twitter to determine what the case is.
I'm pretty sure in the past he just randomly tweeted "bitcoin" as a one word tweet, and I can only guess he did it for the amusement of seeing what effect he could have on the market by doing so.
It is evidence of adoption. I don't find that in contradiction to the fact that people shouldn't hang on his every word or trust him, or care about him much in general.A few pages back Musks tweets about accepting Bitcoin and announcing Tesla buying bitcoin have been used as supporting evidence of the adoption of BTC. Now we should ignore what Musk is saying?
From post #157 on 29th January:
It is evidence of adoption. I don't find that in contradiction to the fact that people shouldn't hang on his every word or trust him, or care about him much in general.
Yes, if they leave the market for good.So if Tesla sells their Bitcoin stake, that is evidence that it is not being adopted??
Do any of these people still own bitcoin? or have they just sold it all because of Musk?thatt you might not care what he thinks, but there of plenty of other people that do........
Absolutely - and we will get there eventually. In the meantime, its still indicative of progress and adoption (even if it's not how anyone would want a market to work).Or when someone like Elon Musk no longer has the power to cause > 15% price movements on the back of something he writes on Twitter......
Tell me, when a VC backs 100 projects and the majority of them fail, are they wrong to have taken a position in the first instance?Buy the dip and ride rip
Eventually you’ll get your cost basis down to zero and then at that point you literally can’t lose
These are market cycles surrounding innovation and an adoption curve. You won't change the inherent nature of people. Of course plenty of people have not put any serious study into it. In the bear market, crickets. This thing kicks up and I'm getting calls from people saying is it a good idea - should I bail in, yada yada. Be that as it may, that in no way means that there's nothing of substance here.Maybe he wasn't even aware of the mining and solving equations. It was clear to me he had given no serious study to it all and yet here he was very tempted possibly out of FOMO. Maybe the spectacular price rises are themselves the seducer.
Well, you can't have it both ways. You complain about the hype and yet the hype is a distraction and if anything takes away from the rollout and development of crypto. The media hype plays on peoples fear of whats new and ignorance of the topic to big up the illicit use nonsense. That is what you and others have indulged in along the way also. That's what I'm referring to.I don't make any big deal of the criminal dimension. But it does get a lot of publicity. I was pointing out the irony that that could actually underpin the hype. After all criminals ain't stupid.
We will never agree and if you're honest with yourself, you'll see that the greater zealot is your good self when it comes to this subject. As above - and as I've pointed out to you many times before (and as you yourself have confirmed)- this is political and ideological for you - you want it to fail. Zealots come in all sorts of shapes n sizes (i.e. the 'in god we trust' cult you stem from). It's ill-becoming to be hypocritical on the subject, your Dukeness.If ever I needed my term of "cult" justified that is it. I think you really do see bitcoin as a struggle between two ideologies/cults with on one side my Big Banking Friends.
The Austrian school believe in hard money - not this inequitable QE nonsense. Bitcoin is hard money.What is the view of the Austrian school on crypto?
When market goes up or market goes down, it's important to be wary of the media as they will rush to be the first to publish an underlying reason. They will grab at the first thing they come across - and rush that out - and then it perpetuates itself from there. You can draw your own conclusions - and form your own opinion. It seems that you already have done. Good for you. As I previously outlined, it's not one that I share.So @tecate @WolfeTone enjoy talking to you both.........your the best of the bitcoin world and I've learned alot about the deep thoughts that underpin the movement.
Help me with this - just given my claim since Colonial Pipeline attack that the powers that be would be coming after Bitcoin hard, I've seen a bunch of stuff that I consider confirming evidence that i was right. That they've agreed with me that all things being equal BTC increases the likelihood of devastating sovereign type attacks by ransomware gangs. Lets look at the timeline:
These are either a series of unconnected events..........or I'm a lunatic. Help me find out if I'm a lunatic and what I've been saying about the powers that be cracking down on BTC post-Colonial is wrong. Interested in your thoughts on the above @tecate @WolfeTone ?
- May 5th Bitcoin is at $58,000
- Elon Musk is the poster boy supporter, a global champion. Tesla accepts bitcoin, bitcoin on the balance sheet
- May 6th - Colonial Pipeline bitcoin denominated attack happens
- Soon after Ireland HSE bitcoin denominated attack
- May 13th -Elon Musk, with 50% of his wealth tied up in a national defense contracting company called SpaceX, does a full 360.Hates Bitcoin. Inconceivable he got a phone call from his US national security pay masters in NASA, NSA, the WH to cut out the Bitcoin bullshit if he wants to keep SpaceX alive?
- May 18th - China comes out with three state agencies making a statement.....at worst bans crypto buying & selling through China financial institutions, at best says crypto will never be accepted as payment mechanism and is dangerous. But put crudely the CCP sh!ts all over crpytp
- May 19th - Bitcoin is at $36,000
This is precisely the point. This progression is entirely imperfect but it is nonetheless progressing.Yes, if they leave the market for good.
However the fact that one of the biggest (rightly or wrongly) companies in the world used bitcoin as a store of value for a period of time will now always be true. A taboo was broken.
Firstly, you're trying to suggest that everyone who has a position in bitcoin right now holds this view. That is not true - and it's disingenuous to suggest that it is. Musk's involvement has been complicated and the whole episode has been far from perfect. He as an individual it seems is pretty complex - but as has been speculated - there are all sorts of other factors likely at play in the background - that we don't know the whole story on.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bitcoiners - "Musk supporting bitcoin & Tesla accepting bitcoin, changes everything, he's a genius, he lands rockets - this ensures its future adoption and price moves
Musk - says BTC is not fit for purpose
Bitcoiners - "Musk is a side show, he never mattered anyway....were not lunatics
Bitcoiners - "Musk supporting bitcoin & Tesla accepting bitcoin, changes everything, he's a genius, he lands rockets - this ensures its future adoption and price moves
Bitcoiners - "Musk is a side show, he never mattered anyway....were not lunatics
Who needs Central Bank Intervention to prevent a crisis
Crisis! What crisis?
"Well the good news is that" this innovation (and accompanying market) continues to grow and it will continue to mature.Well the good news is that it looks like Musk's diamond hands emoji on twitter seems to have stabilised the market......
Who needs Central Bank Intervention to prevent a crisis when Elon Musk and Twitter can achieve the same thing....
Sunny's not used to this sort of thing - in the conventional markets they halt trading if they're having a bad day.Crisis! What crisis?
And you can't see yourself through to understand that we're talking about the S curve and adoption - and the accompanying market going through the phases as regards adoption and maturity. Volatility is a bi-product. Gold was as volatile as bitcoin in the 70s but nobody gets upset about that sort of thing strangely enough.Ah yes. The world of Bitcoin where a 30% intraday drop before recovering the 30% before dropping another 15-20% is just business as usual!
Hey, remember the lovely Tesla car that you wanted to buy at 8am this morning that was only going to cost you 1 bitcoin and you took it for a long test drive. Well, sorry the price went up 30% because you took so long. Oh no wait, it will cost you one bitcoin. Let me just get the paperwork. Oh wait, sorry, it is going to cost you 20% more.......
Now, now, Wolfie you are not playing ball with your mentor who wants to keep leti sweet as he is a much more incisive critic of bitcoin than I could ever be.@letitroll i don't think you will find a sentiment like that expressed from bitcoiners in these pages.
I think you just made up that narrative to comfort your own bias.
Feigned humility from his Dukeness. Props to you on that - you know what they say - fake it 'til you make it.Now, now, Wolfie you are not playing ball with your mentor who wants to keep leti sweet as he is a much more incisive critic of bitcoin than I could ever be.
I don't remember anyone suggesting that gold would be an everyday medium of exchange in the 1970's either like they are doing now with bitcoin so I really have no idea what comparison you are trying to make?"Well the good news is that" this innovation (and accompanying market) continues to grow and it will continue to mature.
Sunny's not used to this sort of thing - in the conventional markets they halt trading if they're having a bad day.
And you can't see yourself through to understand that we're talking about the S curve and adoption - and the accompanying market going through the phases as regards adoption and maturity. Volatility is a bi-product. Gold was as volatile as bitcoin in the 70s but nobody gets upset about that sort of thing strangely enough.
Well firstly, nobody could suggest gold very well as a medium of exchange in today's world as it fails one of the key requirements (divisibility). You've posted often enough in these threads so clearly you've been following the discussion and participating in it. Therefore, you know perfectly well that bitcoin's current use and more recent advances surround its store of value use case.I don't remember anyone suggesting that gold would be an everyday medium of exchange in the 1970's either like they are doing now with bitcoin so I really have no idea what comparison you are trying to make?
On multiple occasions - over the course of four years - I've acknowledged that bitcoin is challenged in its use as a medium of exchange. Having said that, I believe that those challenges are being over come - and so, that use case is not off the table in any way, shape or form. However, if you want to summarily dismiss bitcoin today - disregarding its potential to evolve (through second layer solutions such as lightning network - through broadening acceptance and over the longer haul, reduced volatility), that's entirely up to yourself. That's not my approach.So are you saying that Bitcoin is a volatile asset like gold was in the 1970's and you are giving up on the medium of exchange bit.
All it highlights is a major drawback - but it doesn't mean that it can't be used for that purpose. If you hold the asset as a store of value - it's available to spend on a given day - should circumstances arise where it suits you to do so. If you're transferring in real time, it really doesn't matter.Today just shows how far fetched that is at the moment.
Is there not a mechanism to halt trade in equities markets?And I am not aware of time when I was stopped from trading in the currency markets for a major currency because of intra day volatility.......
She's on a price discovery journey. Haven't you been on one of those, perhaps in a theme park on holidays?Ah yes. The world of Bitcoin where a 30% intraday drop before recovering the 30% before dropping another 15-20% is just business as usual!
Hey, remember the lovely Tesla car that you wanted to buy at 8am this morning that was only going to cost you 1 bitcoin and you took it for a long test drive. Well, sorry the price went up 30% because you took so long. Oh no wait, it will cost you one bitcoin. Let me just get the paperwork. Oh wait, sorry, it is going to cost you 20% more.......
Meanwhile the price discovery of fiat currency is to lose 99% of its value over its lifetime.She's on a price discovery journey. Haven't you been on one of those, perhaps in a theme park on holidays?
You can't it both ways. You can't say 'Look, Tesla are buying all this bitcoin because they believe it is great and shows it is being adopted by the world' and then turn around if they sell saying 'Well who cares what they think'.......
Fair point. Although to be fair one should allow for the interest (that the central bank enable) to be earned on fiat cash. Since 1928 the inflation adjusted return on the dollar has been +0.35%. There is no equivalent of interest with bitcoin.Meanwhile the price discovery of fiat currency is to lose 99% of its value over its lifetime.
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