They consider themselves British from Ireland. They are British and Irish just as loyalist Welsh and Scottish people are Welsh and Scottish as well as British.Many of the Unionist people in NI would not agree with you.
Many consider themselves British and not Irish.
I think on balance I'm with @cremeegg on this sideshow. I think for example that Scots who vote for the union still regard themselves as first and foremost Scottish with a minor attachment to Britishness, their unionism is purely pragmatic.They consider themselves British from Ireland. They are British and Irish just as loyalist Welsh and Scottish people are Welsh and Scottish as well as British.
Really stupid of him, it's a fact anyway whether he likes it or not, it's inextricably linked with the foundation of this country and the civil war that followed. If de Valera and Collins in all their youthful prime were not able to change that fact a small old man president a century later is certainly not going to change anything, completely futile and stupid.I see our Presie is snubbing the "celebration" of the 100 years of partition even though Queenie will be there and all the churches. It's a difficult one but on balance I don't agree with totally contrived and disingenuous gestures like commemorating the RIC. But it's a pity to see him falling out with Queenie, they seemed so suited to each other.
I am presuming Mickie had no say in the matter, no more than Queenie. Mickie attending a celebration of partition would be speaking for this Government and its people. I am all for the 6 counties having the right to split off from the 26 but it would be the height of disingenuousness for representatives of the 26 to celebrate that parting.Really stupid of him, it's a fact anyway whether he likes it or not, it's inextricably linked with the foundation of this country and the civil war that followed. If de Valera and Collins in all their youthful prime were not able to change that fact a small old man president a century later is certainly not going to change anything, completely futile and stupid.
I am all for the 6 counties having the right to split off from the 26 but it would be the height of disingenuousness for representatives of the 26 to celebrate that parting.
I presume Lizzie won't be in the Pro Cathedral with a Easter Lillie any time soon
That one always amuses me. The obvious answer is 'floating'.They also ask with a sense of their own superiority "where would the Titanic be today if it was not for the good protestant working men of Belfast?".
And you want them in our country? Are you mad?I would suggest that it is Gaelic culture, a culture which is intrinsically linked with the Catholic natives that is anathema to Northern Unionist Protestants rather than Ireland or being 'Irish'.
No doubt the most recent conflict has done damage to the identification of 'Irish' in the eyes of many Protestant Unionists but it has not dispelled it. Nor more than brow beating of 'Ulster is British!' and British government rule has for 100yrs has abjectly failed to quash the sense of Irish identity for those living in NI.
Ian Paisley Snr admitted himself he was an Irishman and leaders like Peter Robinson have also said it. Faced with the bare-faced fact that the giant of Unionism, Edward Carson, was a proud Dublin Irishman, it is puerile for some of the Northern Irish Unionists to deny their Irishness. But deny it they do.
The root cause of this denial lays with partition. A border borne out of nothing but a supremacist belief of the Protestant faith, a sectarian hatred of Catholics and by association a contempt for Gaelic culture (their own culture that their ancestry is entwined with) that they deny it. A century of futile 'Ulsterisation' followed.
And you want them in our country? Are you mad?
But sure they're happy, leave them as it.The ending of partition is best way forward to bringing these ancient mindsets into the 21st century.
Bringing this Catholic / Protestant division to an end over time. Partition just perpetuates it.
But sure they're happy, leave them as it.
I'd agree except I don't want us to have to deal with them. I like this place the way it is, faults and all.I'm quite happy to leave them at it.
Far from their mantra of wanting to strengthen the union with UK, their blind indulgence of their own self-importance is what destabilised the union with Britain in 1914, leading to partition and the unleashing of fringe Irish Republican ideals as the predominant political sentiment of Irish people.
And now they are doing it again, propelling invisible sea borders and the lack of sausages from England as an attack on sovereignty. Personally, I think it is an obvious attack on NI sausage makers, but there you go - it's their call.
It all feeds into exposing the demise of outdated and bankrupt ideology of Irish Unionism.
I'm quite happy to let them at it.
Yeah, what's their big problem? A few teenage yobos having fun throwing petrol bombs.And now they are doing it again, propelling invisible sea borders...
Yeah, what's their big problem? A few teenage yobos having fun throwing petrol bombs.
Only, you, The Duke, and Ruth Dudley Edwards, oh and how could I forget Eoghan Harris, believe that.fringe Irish Republican ideals as the predominant political sentiment of Irish people.
Only, you, The Duke, and Ruth Dudley Edwards, oh and how could I forget Eoghan Harris, believe that.
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