tradition, which makes it a condition for a better educational standard over here
So why were you thinking of having your baby baptised at all then?
tradition, which makes it a condition for a better educational standard over here
Just do what a former neighbour of mine did. He got the child baptised COI, despite being RC, an altar boy and the granny being a daily attendee.
The advantages were getting the child easily into the local COI school and for obvious reasons the clergy are far less lightly to have undesirable tendencies. Oh and don't forget none of the 1st holy communion "how much money did you make" carryon.
This isn't accurate at all. Standard of education has nothing to do with it. Easier access to available education - arguably, yes.
i'd beg to differ
Personnally, I don't consider the church to be simply a building and the clergy, to me it is a sense of community and baptism is a welcoming cermony into that community.
Well, you see no big protests from the ordinary priests and the bosses are having a field day pretending everything is fine even though more and more cover-up is discovered Europe-wide.
That's why I have a big problem having my baby baptized without her making the choice by and for herself. I was baptized myself because my Granny couldn't stand the idea of having a little pagan in the family while my Mum and Dad were rather relaxed and kept saying that it's entirely up to ourselves what we do with our beliefs, so when she had the chance to baby-sit she grabbed the pram and ran to her church to give me a shower before my parents could say anything about it.
As you wish, but if you are going to differ maybe you should offer an explanation for your claim - or at least confirm what you are claiming.
Are you saying that by baptising your baby (RC, COI or whatever) you will ensure a better standard of education for them? and if so, why?
Protesting isn't really what priests do is it? They believe that they must carry out the word of God and they believe that they will be tested throughout their lives, this may be considered a serious test of their faith, either way its not cut and dried.
Your descriptions of baptism would suggest that you have absolutley no respect for the process so why even consider it? If you view baptism and the church with disdain then just carry on without them.
Nonsense.most ET schools are full of kids from immigrant families with poor English
Nonsense.
That is not my experience based on family, friends and workmates with kids in ET schools.that's the experience shared by my colleagues who are non-Irish and their kids attend these schools because they are not catholic
+1 Very succinct - it's I was what I trying to say earlier.... Newsflash Haminka, there isn't a perfect solution.
That is not my experience based on family, friends and workmates with kids in ET schools.
Perhaps you should have been clear in your original comment that this referred to your particular area, instead of referring to 'most ET schools'?may depend on where you live
I'm starting to feel like I can't win - baptise the child and send her to an RC school and I'm a hyprocrite, send her to ET and I'm compromising her education, send her to a Gaelscoil and I'm an elitist snob. Oh yeah or fork out for a private school. Hmmm what to do. Newsflash Haminka, there isn't a perfect solution.
Mpsox, how do you feel then about people who are a reluctant part of that community as they are baptising their kids to get them into the school. Does that not make you question the role that community has in our society?
MrMan, where did I show any disrespect to baptism? Yes, for a baby it's ultimately nothing but an unpleasant cold shower. For a mature person though, it's the expression of their beliefs and belonging to an organization representing these beliefs.
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Interestingly, in my parish, when we baptised my own daughter, virtually all of the pre-planning for the cermony did not involve a priest or anyone from the clergy, instead all of this was done by a lay person as the parish has a team of volunteers who do this.