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...which is 100% down to pure, naked greed and has nothing to do with ever-increasing staff costs and other overheads
Maybe not just 100% greed on the part of certain accountants - after all their luxury foreign property villas , investment portfolio, new top of the range cars etc has to be funded somehow. Shure why should they not charge thousands for very little work ?
Maybe not just 100% greed on the part of certain accountants - after all their luxury foreign property villas , investment portfolio, new top of the range cars etc has to be funded somehow. Shure why should they not charge thousands for very little work ?
maybe the accountant with the investment portfolio & top of the range cars has them because he is good at his job and work hard to get to his position???
Wouldn't be the first or last time taxpayers paid for goods/serivces which were not needed or worthwhile, where shall I start ........ P-PARS ..... elect voting, ..... ?I know of one little job one accountancy firm did, which was really no use to anybody, and yet which they were able to charge over 20,000 for. The taxpayer ultimately paid for that.
Applies to many trades/professions also, not exclusive to accountants. SO again, nothing new there.The accountants are not any better at their job than anyone else is, and they certainly do not work that hard.
The old adage of a fair day's work for a fair day's pay has gone astray in many fields of work today. But to be honest, I never liked coconuts but a bottle of Chablis 1er Cru would do very nicely thanks.you certainly do not get extra value for money if you throw coconuts at them instead of peanuts
Incidentally, seeing as its closing in on the season of goodwill, here's one for the beancounters . How many accountants out there get / give xmas presents/cards from / to their clients?
I have felt having paid many tens of thousands of euro in accountancy fees over the past number of years that you certainly do not get extra value for money if you throw coconuts at them instead of peanuts.
Although this isn't directed at me, I did shop around (see earlier post). It's almost like there is some kind of cartel in operation.Why then didn't you shop around yourself?
They have several options; they are free to go elsewhere; they can prepare their own returns; or they can simply leave their tax returns until after the deadline and end up paying penalties to the Revenue, and moving up a notch on the Revenue's Revenue Audit risk-profiling system.
I detest this. Pay up or the revenue will come down on you like a ton of bricks. It seems to be a common tactic. Then add a load of smoke and mirrors and whack the price up.
Isn't there advertising laws governing this kind of thing, acting on people's fear?
I've been in business about 6 years.Taxpayers, especially those in the system a few years should be well aware of the deadline. It's not rocket science. 31 October 2007 for paper filing of years ending in 2006 or 15 November 2007 for ROS filing & payment.
I detest this. Pay up or the revenue will come down on you like a ton of bricks. It seems to be a common tactic. Then add a load of smoke and mirrors and whack the price up.
Isn't there advertising laws governing this kind of thing, acting on people's fear?
These traditional audit programmes Chairman, from which we continue to get very good results, are part of Revenue’s overall compliance activity. I would like to advise the Committee that, just as we have modernised our organisation to meet new challenges, so also are we modernising our whole approach to compliance. As we move on, our compliance interventions, whether they be audits or otherwise, are increasingly risk driven and based on extensive sectoral and taxpayer analysis. We are using computer technology to select cases based on risk profiling and during the audit process itself. Most importantly we are increasing the scale of real-time activity on the ground through visits to premises, surveillance, site visits and the like. All such interventions are driving our compliance agenda and as such we would propose to specifically recognise and reflect them in future performance reports from Revenue.
I've been in business about 6 years.
Last year (2006) was the first year I was aware of the 31 Oct deadline. This year (2007) was the first year I was aware that 15 Nov was the ROS deadline, because I happened to have read it a couple of weeks ago on AAM.
I have yet to see or hear an advert from revenue about these dates. I never listen to the radio or the TV.
Sounds hard to believe, but it's true.
It's almost like there is some kind of cartel in operation.
It certainly is given that I assume that you filed returns in those other 5 earlier years. The deadline each year is clearly printed on the front page of the tax return. Can it be any simpler?
There are many accountants in Ireland who are not regulated by any Institute.
Anyone, anywhere in Ireland can set themselves up as an accountant, and practice without any minimum requirement for training, experience, qualifications, integrity or financial solvency.
What techical industry is cheap? Many professions require degrees and further training. Big deal.This don't come cheap folks.
- There's Vat returns, every two, (or is it three months now) on some date I can't remember - or at the end of the year if you pay by direct debit.
Due dates are clearly written on the returns. If you pay by direct debit then you are , by default, on annual returns due 19 days after the end of the relevant period.
- PAYE/PRSI - do the P35 by some time in feb. P30s, do you have to file these if paying by direct debit?
P-35 due date is mid-Feb usually around 15th. Again, like VAT if you're on DD you do not get P30s. You wrap it all up on the P-35
- Year end returns, do these depend on a ARD? - is everyone's ARD the same? I noticed there were a couple of different dates on the CT(1 or 2)
ARD's are CRO dates, latest ARD you can have is 9 months after your year end.
CT Return due date 21st of the ninth month after the year end.
- CT1 (or is it CT2) - this goes to the CRO, I think. Is this part of an annual return? - I couldn't tell you.
CT1 is your Corporation Tax Return, goes to Revenue, not CRO.
What they seek is outlined in the CT1- Returns to the revenue - what are they looking for here? profit and loss?
- Personal returns. Haven't a clue about this, or what I should be returning.
F11 or 12 depending on status, self-employed, proprietory director, PAYE, non-proprietory director
Yes, I do find the whole thing very confusing. Then again, I'm not an accountant. Why should the revenue expect people to understand all this stuff
Thats understandable. Your job is to concentrate on your business. That's why people rely heavily on accountants. Many people would consider it money well spent. ( exceptions in this thread notwithstanding) A good relationship with an accountant may be seen as symbiotic, where both, over time benefit from the mutual growth and trust and understanding between the parties.
newly qualified accountants are not allowed to set up in practice, regardless of whether or not they are technically competent to do vat returns.
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