Unions on the run now.Would you now pass the picket?

Union Leaders pay;

David Begg €136’000 (ICTU)
€36’000 (Aer Lingus, paid into central union coffers)
€? (Central Bank)
€? (ESRI)

Peter McLoone €155’300 (IMPACT)

Jack O’Connor €120,671 (SIPTU)

Feel free to add to the list. If anyone knows what boards they are on and how much that pays it would be good.

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YOBR said:
Yes. Why should you get something that I have to pay for? Would you go into a shop in the morning and buy a coffee and a paper and then turn around and give it to me? Unions provide services to their members.
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But is it value for money ??
 
YOBR said:
But apart from informational purposes, what other purpose does it serve?
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To show that they themselves are Fat Cats........how can you stand up for some one on 25k when you earn 155k yourself ???? where is the motivation ?? If they are social leaders take the 33k NIW.....
 
YOBR said:
Howitzer said:
Do you realise what you sound like? You're talking about Union membership. Workers rights, solidarity, representation - do these things mean nothing to you?
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Yes. Why should you get something that I have to pay for? Would you go into a shop in the morning and buy a coffee and a paper and then turn around and give it to me? Unions provide services to their members.
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Jim Larkin must be turning in his grave.

This is where we're at all right. Unions for which workers rights, solidarity and representation have no place.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
But is it value for money ??
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What is value for money in this context? Invariably, we as individuals have different motivations, issues and interests in a union context. The question of whether individual members is satisfied with the service they receive is really a matter for each to consider.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
To show that they themselves are Fat Cats........how can you stand up for some one on 25k when you earn 155k yourself ???? where is the motivation ?? If they are social leaders take the 33k NIW.....
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Are you suggesting that you have to earn the same as the people you represent in order to understand them?
 
YOBR said:
What is value for money in this context? Invariably, we as individuals have different motivations, issues and interests in a union context. The question of whether individual members is satisfied with the service they receive is really a matter for each to consider.
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X% of salary for what ?? That is the question i ask, what does the union do for the money you give them.

No one could give me a decent answer.

Eh its like insurance.

Eh sure eveyone else is in it.

Eh but i might need them some day.


BA ba ba ba sheep who don't have a clue why they give these people their money.

My mother lost her job a few years ago though the business she worked in burning down. The thoughts after it were that the union ( SIPTU ) were useless, pointless and a waste of money. That was something said by all the workers and in the end it was an local counciller that got them a proper settlement.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
To show that they themselves are Fat Cats........how can you stand up for some one on 25k when you earn 155k yourself ???? where is the motivation ?? If they are social leaders take the 33k NIW.....
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Howitzer said:
Jim Larkin must be turning in his grave.

This is where we're at all right. Unions for which workers rights, solidarity and representation have no place.
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So you think you can enter any club without paying the membership. If that is the case, then maybe i'll pop into Total Fitness on the way home. i'm not a member but according to you that's ok... might pop into the Dail bar too, not a member either but sure what harm..
 
YOBR said:
Are you suggesting that you have to earn the same as the people you represent in order to understand them?
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Why yes, how do i know the needs of someone on 25k when i earn 155k and live a different life with no finanical worries. Do you think that these guys have a clue how the average person lives when they get paid 4 or 5 times the average industrial wage ??
 
YOBR said:
So you think you can enter any club without paying the membership. If that is the case, then maybe i'll pop into Total Fitness on the way home. i'm not a member but according to you that's ok... might pop into the Dail bar too, not a member either but sure what harm..
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Total Fitness isn't involved in negotiations on where to spend my taxes.
 
Purple said:
Union Leaders pay;

David Begg €136’000 (ICTU)
€36’000 (Aer Lingus, paid into central union coffers)
€? (Central Bank)
€? (ESRI)

Peter McLoone €155’300 (IMPACT)

Jack O’Connor €120,671 (SIPTU)

Feel free to add to the list. If anyone knows what boards they are on and how much that pays it would be good.

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Thanks Purple. At least we now have a base. Wonder what the expenses look like!
 
YOBR said:
So you think you can enter any club without paying the membership. If that is the case, then maybe i'll pop into Total Fitness on the way home. i'm not a member but according to you that's ok... might pop into the Dail bar too, not a member either but sure what harm..
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But before you sign up to total fitness you of course will ask what do i get for my money ? Also will you get a vote on hoe total fitness is run ???

Oh and the dail bar is nothing special.........
 
Ron Burgundy said:
But before you sign up to total fitness you of course will ask what do i get for my money ? Also will you get a vote on hoe total fitness is run ???

Oh and the dail bar is nothing special.........
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But then if you get a vote, will total fitness try and discard that vote if you don't vote the way they want you to.
 
Sunny said:
Thanks Purple. At least we now have a base. Wonder what the expenses look like!
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Indeed, and what hotel/ hair salon/ travel and dining expenses did they incur when they were on the Polit Bureau over the last 10 years.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
That is the question i ask, what does the union do for the money you give them.

No one could give me a decent answer.
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Why don't you look at their website and see what services they provide. The fact that people don't give you an answer that satisfies your individual burden of proof does not means that they are not satisfied with the services they recieve.
 
dockingtrade said:
Are the union leaders in this country , when you add up expenses, salaries, directorships "FAT CATS". The whole fat cat culture needs to be scrutinized!! Union leaders fall under that!
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YOBR any comment on the fat cat culture and the union leader being part of this culture they are so critical off
 
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