Unions on the run now.Would you now pass the picket?

YOBR said:
You cannot form another union as you would not get a negotiating licence...well technically i suppose you could but as no one would negotiate with you it wouldn't be much of a point.
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This isn't entirely correct. Being an official Union with a negotiating license is really just for show. Ultimately a Union represents a number of people. If that number is large enough, or their importance large enough, then employers, and Labour Courts, listen to them.

At some point there were no Unions - then there were Unions. These weren't offical Unions with licences and seats at the negotiating table with Bertie and the boys. They were common people who stood up for their rights.
 
YOBR said:
I'm not surprised that you could not get information, why should unions give information to non members?
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Because these guys are trying to close the entire Country down and I want to know everything about them. I am not a member but their actions impact on me.
 
Sunny said:
So you don't know what the head of your union is paid?
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No, I didn't say that nor was I saying that payment was the only relevant issue. I was reacting to the incorrect inference that union members were "sheep" and "ignorant" being fleeced (to continue the agricultural theme) but a fat cat leadership who they slavishly followed.
 
YOBR said:
Do you seriously think David Begg or Jack O'Connor would work for the average inductrial wage?
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Why not!!! These are democratic left wing socialists, walk the walk and all that.

I would say union members who are losing their jobs and lower paid workers taking pay cuts are definitely not happy with the money these guys are on. Does the vote today tell you anything?? How would someone go about airing dissatisfaction with their leadership???
 
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Sunny said:
Because these guys are trying to close the entire Country down and I want to know everything about them. I am not a member but their actions impact on me.
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That is your opinion, which you are entlitled to but I would not see the unions as "trying to close the entire country down". And in that scenario I see not relevance in knowing what they are paid.
 
YOBR said:
No, I didn't say that nor was I saying that payment was the only relevant issue. I was reacting to the incorrect inference that union members were "sheep" and "ignorant" being fleeced (to continue the agricultural theme) but a fat cat leadership who they slavishly followed.
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I'll have to quote myself but when Union leaders ignore their own rules and the democratic wishes of their own members something isn't quite right.

Howitzer said:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0323/partnership.html

A spokesperson for IMPACT said that the vote did not necessarily mean that IMPACT members would not take part in Monday's strike.
The union's executive will meet tomorrow to examine the rule requiring the two-thirds majority to see if the executive has any discretion to approve the action.
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So much for democracy then. Why have a vote atall if that's what you're going to do?
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YOBR said:
No, I didn't say that nor was I saying that payment was the only relevant issue. I was reacting to the incorrect inference that union members were "sheep" and "ignorant" being fleeced (to continue the agricultural theme) but a fat cat leadership who they slavishly followed.
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So how much does your union leader get paid?
 
dockingtrade said:
Why not!!! These are democratic left wing socialists, walk the walk and all that.

I would say union members who are losing their jobs and lower paid workers taking pay cuts are definitely not happy with the money these guys are on. Does the vote today tell you anything?? How would someone go about airing dissatisfaction with their leadership???
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Do you seriously expect someone to tak a job of head of ICTU for about 38k a year, seriously do you?
 
Don't forget Union Leaders were mentioned in the recent report on Fás. They we also flying 1st class and wasting money left, right and centre with the top boys in Fás.
 
again .... What do they preach, of what political persuasion are they??? Who do they attack??

And I said avg Inds wage , plus expenses.
 
YOBR said:
Reality is that I know the figure because I pay my subs. You have no right to know as you are not a member. As they say on American Express Card "membership has its priviligies!.
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Do you realise what you sound like? You're talking about Union membership. Workers rights, solidarity, representation - do these things mean nothing to you?
 
YOBR said:
Reality is that I know the figure because I pay my subs. You have no right to know as you are not a member. As they say on American Express Card "membership has its priviligies!.
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But if i wanted to join a union have a not a right to know beforehand to see if its value for money and i figure i agree with in relation to what is done.

being paid 4 times the salary of those you work for is not on as far as i;m concerned.
 
Howitzer said:
Do you realise what you sound like? You're talking about Union membership. Workers rights, solidarity, representation - do these things mean nothing to you?
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Yes. Why should you get something that I have to pay for? Would you go into a shop in the morning and buy a coffee and a paper and then turn around and give it to me? Unions provide services to their members.
 
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