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z106
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Is this law in ?
is this a blanket closing time?
for instance - does the gaiety now close at this time also?
is this a blanket closing time?
for instance - does the gaiety now close at this time also?
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z106
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Do they have any plans to change it back to the old time?
This 2.30 closing time is a disaster.
This 2.30 closing time is a disaster.
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z103
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These new licensing laws are shocking.
Can't even buy a bottle of wine in the supermarket after 10pm, although you can still get legless in the pub at that time. While I'm on a rant, why can't I buy cans of beer at my local shop? - what kind of a nanny state are we living in?
Who comes up with these rules?
Can't even buy a bottle of wine in the supermarket after 10pm, although you can still get legless in the pub at that time. While I'm on a rant, why can't I buy cans of beer at my local shop? - what kind of a nanny state are we living in?
Who comes up with these rules?
Ceist Beag
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Why is it nannystateism? These laws allowing beer be sold in your local shop were relatively new laws as it is - think it was only about 10 years ago they brought them in. Personally I think it's a good thing you can no longer buy them in your local shop - it was convenience at the expense of easy access to beer for young lads as far as I'm concerned so I'm all for people having to go to the off license for beer again.
It is stupid closing off licences, shortening bar opening times etc and not dealing with the problem. Ireland attitude to drink. I am always amazed when the government talk of stopping under age drinking that they never offer teenagers an alternative. In other European countries, teenagers can meet up at coffee shops etc but these don't exist here after six.
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Don't sell alcohol to people under 18
Why should everyone suffer? Why is it that most other European countries seem to be able to handle their local shops selling beer? Not everyone is an alcoholic or a 'young lad' Some people just want a beer with their dinner.
Maybe it's 'young lads' and unions that run this country.
Useless government.
Also, top tip for 'young lads' buy wine instead of beer, it's stronger and can be purchased from your local shop.
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This is a myth. In Germany this summer, I couldn't get over the amount of youngsters drinking in groups in secluded streets or green areas in the evening - just as you see in Ireland and the UK. The Germans seem philosophical about it, why shouldn't we?
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ehh yeah that was my point - Office Licences regulate this much better than your local shop appears able to do - it being their primary business to sell alcohol this is logical!
suffer? Being a tad melodramatic aren't we? Is it really hardship to go to an off license instead of your local shop for beer? We seemed to manage fine before!
Sure why don't we just ban alcohol altogether? It is nanny-stateism because it is restricting the choice and opportunity of the majority of the population because the state is unable/unwilling to take steps necessary to enforce existing laws - these new rules are effectively shifting the burden of achieving the goal of the state i.e. preventing teenage drinking and excessive alcohol consumption - onto publicans and off-licence owners at the expense of publicans and the general, law-abiding, legal-age population.
Proper policing, with proper sanction for those found breaking the law, would be a fairer and more effective means of the state achieving its goals in this area.
Do you have any proof of this? I have seen many off-licenses over the years sell alcohol to clearly under-age customers (including 'friends' back in the day
). Perhaps the reason for your perception of greater off-licence enforcement of age-related drinking laws could be that off-licenses fear the proportionally greater sanction of having their licence removed, given that it is their entire livelihood, whereas a local grocer might lose a lucrative income stream but one which is unlikely to make or break his business. A more effective way to ensure the public-policy goal of preventing teenage purchasing of alcohol (the fact that they'll just get it by other means than purchasing is another matter) would be to increase the punishment on any retailer found selling alcohol illegally - that would ensure even application of the existing laws without the need to place ridiculous restrictions on mature drinkers.Ceist Beag
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I disagree Sherman - who would pay for this proper policing? Yes that's right - you, me and every other tax payer. I'd rather my money went to better use than simply to convenience those who can't be bothered going to an off licence to purchase alcohol.
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....and people wonder why retail costs are so high here compared to anywhere else? Why should retailers be left with shouldering the financial consequences of others' misbehaviour? The fact remains that under-18s can always manage to get their grubby hands on alcohol, no matter how strict the laws. You have to be over-21 to enter a bar in the US but they still have plenty of underage drinking.
Why should that be a cost of doing business? If a retailer takes (and can prove that they take) all reasonable measures to prevent the sale of alcohol to minors (e.g. strict ID policy, proper staff training etc.) they should not be faced with punishment for improper sale of alcohol because it is unlikely that they will improperly sell alcohol. If they willingly break the law (and there are many who do) then they should face the consequences. I agree that minors will always get alcohol - I mentioned that in my previous post. Which is why I think there should be an element of sanction on parents whose minor children are found in possession of alcohol in public or are intoxicated.
Restricting access of law-abiding adults to alcohol is merely punishing the law-abiding and not the law-breaker.
I don't know if you remember being a teenager too well but I don't think I'd have taken kindly to the suggestion that I spend my time hanging out in government-owned coffee shops.
We should be thankful in this country that we can drink late every night of the week.
I was recently in London and coudl not get a drink on a SATURDAY night after 11pm unless I was prepared to go to a club. Every pub in the centre shut up. So much for 24hr drinking.
England - officially the most boring country in the world when it comes to alcohol.
I was recently in London and coudl not get a drink on a SATURDAY night after 11pm unless I was prepared to go to a club. Every pub in the centre shut up. So much for 24hr drinking.
England - officially the most boring country in the world when it comes to alcohol.
Try going to Scotland. I stayed in a hotel that would not serve between 2-4 on Sundays. And yes, they wouldn't serve after 10pm, even residents
It's a Presbyterian tradition from what I remember, they were very strict on it anyway even if there was no law for it
It's a Presbyterian tradition from what I remember, they were very strict on it anyway even if there was no law for it
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What ARE the new laws exactly?
Do nightclubs like Coppers now close at 2.30am also?
Do nightclubs like Coppers now close at 2.30am also?