came across this and thought it was worth sharing....
http://ecomodder.com/forum/hypermiling-driving-tips-ecodriving.php
http://ecomodder.com/forum/hypermiling-driving-tips-ecodriving.php
Ways of conserving fuel while driving
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Read a similar article in saturdays Irish Times I think, guys were doubling or more the manufacturers fule consumption figures. I particularly like the drafting and the freewheeling - reminds me of my mate Sid.
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Yeah I've read this stuff before.
Drafting behing trucks - V dangerous
Getting up to speed and coasting or switching engine off
Not good driving technique in my mind
Prob best to mantain a petty constant speed in as high gear as possible and avoid quick acceleration, keep windows closed and avoid using A/C
Takes all the fun out of driving IMO
Mik
Drafting behing trucks - V dangerous
Getting up to speed and coasting or switching engine off
Not good driving technique in my mind
Prob best to mantain a petty constant speed in as high gear as possible and avoid quick acceleration, keep windows closed and avoid using A/C
Takes all the fun out of driving IMO
Mik
We used to coast with the engine off down a gentle 2 mile hill when I lived in rural Northamptonshire - running cars on a showstring in those days.
One day, out of habit, my friend turned the key to turn the engine off but took it out too, of course the steering lock then came on the next time he turned the wheel (not instantaneously, we'd picked up a bit of speed).
Rather than use the brake he tried to put the key back in and release the lock - which is hard enough at the best of times with the car stationary.
Exciting few seconds that.
SSE
One day, out of habit, my friend turned the key to turn the engine off but took it out too, of course the steering lock then came on the next time he turned the wheel (not instantaneously, we'd picked up a bit of speed).
Rather than use the brake he tried to put the key back in and release the lock - which is hard enough at the best of times with the car stationary.
Exciting few seconds that.
SSE
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Piece from a site they linked to:
"Pulse and glide works like this: let's say you're on a road where you want to go 60 km/h. Instead of driving along at a steady 60, you instead accelerate to 70 (that's the pulse), and then coast in neutral with the engine off down to 50 (that's the glide). That's it.".
Wouldn't this be dangerous? Turning off the engine in the middle of driving? What if you had to brake suddenly? Your brake lights would not come on and the person behind you might not realise you are braking until they are significantly closer to you to notice! Plus doesn't coasting increase your stopping distance?
"Pulse and glide works like this: let's say you're on a road where you want to go 60 km/h. Instead of driving along at a steady 60, you instead accelerate to 70 (that's the pulse), and then coast in neutral with the engine off down to 50 (that's the glide). That's it.".
Wouldn't this be dangerous? Turning off the engine in the middle of driving? What if you had to brake suddenly? Your brake lights would not come on and the person behind you might not realise you are braking until they are significantly closer to you to notice! Plus doesn't coasting increase your stopping distance?
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Your brake lights would work, but your brakes might not!
Well not properly anyway, they will loose pressure if the engine is off.
Also no power steering could be a small problem too
Quite dangerous IMO
Well not properly anyway, they will loose pressure if the engine is off.
Also no power steering could be a small problem too
Quite dangerous IMO
I can see it now - Jeremy Clarkson hoping that these driving "tips" result in Darwin Awards for some tree huggers!
The cars were death traps, TBH, sometimes I wonder how I survived - six people in a Metro with one working seatbelt, etc. Another highlight was a friend being unable to brake because a can of deicer had rolled under the pedal!
The only thing none of us did, and this is true, was drink and drive.
SSE
Did anyone here see this website [broken link removed]
Is it a scam? My guess is that it is a scam, simply because if it was possible who ever came up with the idea would have a patent on it. It wouldn't be for sale in ebooks for €1.50 all over the internet.
Is it a scam? My guess is that it is a scam, simply because if it was possible who ever came up with the idea would have a patent on it. It wouldn't be for sale in ebooks for €1.50 all over the internet.
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That's hilarious...they're basically saying a plastic bottle of water is a fuel cell! Still, my attitude is if people fall for this kind of stuff they deserve it.Imagine the look on Sheik Mohammed's face if this was for real?
Done that over and over it brings up water4gas scam in the search. When I go onto the page it's advertising water4gas. They are mostly affiliate's pages. They know that people will search with scam so they put the word scam in the advert.
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Try Googling Chuck Norris and hit the 'I'm feeling Lucky' button...not a scam but amusing nonetheless
Electric current passed through the water generates hydrogen. BMW are making a hydrogen powered car that also runs petrol two tanks. Check out this website [broken link removed]
The biggest fuel saving measure a person can take is SLOW DOWN! I don't mean crawl either, around 80-100kph is fine. Ok, i hear everyone saying it'll take forever to get to work. Well, next time you go to work, call up the average speed on your trip computer and zero it at the start of your commute. Now, at the end of your commute, have a look at it. I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of you will see something like 60 to 80 kph. My wife does the m1 from Drogheda at 07:15 and back from Dublin at 16:00. Her average speed is sometimes in the high 50's. Not a good average when she guns it with the best of them up to 140kph and therefore suckin diesel like its going out of fashion!! So, if everybody stuck to say, 90kph, you may even get to work quicker! I found this:
Have a play around with the amount of cars and speeds and you'll be surprised.
Regarding the engine off coasting, it gives small gains and is risky to say the least. Engine ON coasting is safer and i've yet to encounter a situation where i have to accelerate out of trouble. I usually have to brake.
Another fuel saving measure, pump your tires up good and hard. Grip is not compromised as anyone who remembers their physics will know that friction/traction is determined by the force between two surfaces, not the contact area. I've had a set of firestone f-590 tyres at the sidewall limit of 44psi for 3 years and 106,000km and i have 3mm tread left in them! I tested the grip in the wet on a quiet road (i'm not irresponsible!!) by braking hard and i stopped like a good thing. Now, if anyone here wants to flame me about this thats fine. But think about this: Out of all the car crashes you see/hear about, how many were to do with driving at or under the speed limit or skidding due to tyres pumped up to or just under the sidewall limit marked on their tyres? Not many. They were mostly driving too fast. And were not paying attention to their surroundings and giving themselves some space so they wouldn't have to brake all the time. I constantly arrive to a destination behind those cars actually.
So, to summarise, starting with the biggest saving:
1: Slow down (the guards have been telling us this forever!)
2: Dont accelerate so hard
3: Tyres pumped up to AT LEAST what the placard on the pillar says.
4: Give yourself some space in front of you. Kind of ties in with no.1
Hope this is of some help.
Oh and about the water 4 gas, have a look at this:http://www.mpgresearch.com/forum/index.php?sid=697d544a70333370c330d0001de567c8
There is a certain amount of nonsense there but filter that out and you'll see there is a lot more going on in that field than we would be led to believe. I haven't tried the water thing but i'm watching developments. It will happen some day i can guarantee that!
Ollie
Have a play around with the amount of cars and speeds and you'll be surprised.
Regarding the engine off coasting, it gives small gains and is risky to say the least. Engine ON coasting is safer and i've yet to encounter a situation where i have to accelerate out of trouble. I usually have to brake.
Another fuel saving measure, pump your tires up good and hard. Grip is not compromised as anyone who remembers their physics will know that friction/traction is determined by the force between two surfaces, not the contact area. I've had a set of firestone f-590 tyres at the sidewall limit of 44psi for 3 years and 106,000km and i have 3mm tread left in them! I tested the grip in the wet on a quiet road (i'm not irresponsible!!) by braking hard and i stopped like a good thing. Now, if anyone here wants to flame me about this thats fine. But think about this: Out of all the car crashes you see/hear about, how many were to do with driving at or under the speed limit or skidding due to tyres pumped up to or just under the sidewall limit marked on their tyres? Not many. They were mostly driving too fast. And were not paying attention to their surroundings and giving themselves some space so they wouldn't have to brake all the time. I constantly arrive to a destination behind those cars actually.
So, to summarise, starting with the biggest saving:
1: Slow down (the guards have been telling us this forever!)
2: Dont accelerate so hard
3: Tyres pumped up to AT LEAST what the placard on the pillar says.
4: Give yourself some space in front of you. Kind of ties in with no.1
Hope this is of some help.
Oh and about the water 4 gas, have a look at this:http://www.mpgresearch.com/forum/index.php?sid=697d544a70333370c330d0001de567c8
There is a certain amount of nonsense there but filter that out and you'll see there is a lot more going on in that field than we would be led to believe. I haven't tried the water thing but i'm watching developments. It will happen some day i can guarantee that!
Ollie
i was off last week and decided id try to be as economical as possible for the week as i was in a hurry nowhere. as i was averaging 28MPG over the previous 3000mls i though an improvement would be easy.
so got rid of the extra weight anything that i didn't need checked my tires pressure and headed off. i was driving up and down to Kerry so not the best roads. i didn't really go slow but kept well back from other cars, this allowed me to de-accelerate and accelerate slowly when necessary. starting off at lights and junctions i did much calmer. i kept my lights on parking lights rather than on dips which i normally have on all day.
I have an e36 318 so i ahve the MPG guage on the dash. i was watching this more than my speed and trying to keep it at 50MPG while driving steadily and not going below 30MPG while accellerating.
so the light came on eventually and calculated the average MPG to be 40MPG which i was well impressed with for a 1996 318 1.8 its much better than the manufactureres estimated MPG. But i dont think i could drive like this all the time its just toooo boring. but as jermey clarkson proved putting an M3 up against a prius its now what you drive its how you drive it
oh a friend of mine told me he ran out of petrol at point A here and freewheeled into a petrol station, point B, 10KM away on this route in a transit now that fuel saving
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=N71+%4051.938054,+-9.657148&daddr=N71+%4051.932141,+-9.649912+to:kenmare+kerry&hl=en&geocode=14060595863331648926,51.938054,-9.657148%3B7687344476169400744,51.932141,-9.649912&mra=ls&via=1&sll=51.882478,-9.604883&sspn=0.023789,0.055275&ie=UTF8&ll=51.911238,-9.63192&spn=0.095093,0.2211&z=12
so got rid of the extra weight anything that i didn't need checked my tires pressure and headed off. i was driving up and down to Kerry so not the best roads. i didn't really go slow but kept well back from other cars, this allowed me to de-accelerate and accelerate slowly when necessary. starting off at lights and junctions i did much calmer. i kept my lights on parking lights rather than on dips which i normally have on all day.
I have an e36 318 so i ahve the MPG guage on the dash. i was watching this more than my speed and trying to keep it at 50MPG while driving steadily and not going below 30MPG while accellerating.
so the light came on eventually and calculated the average MPG to be 40MPG which i was well impressed with
for a 1996 318 1.8 its much better than the manufactureres estimated MPG. But i dont think i could drive like this all the time its just toooo boring. but as jermey clarkson proved putting an M3 up against a prius its now what you drive its how you drive it oh a friend of mine told me he ran out of petrol at point A here and freewheeled into a petrol station, point B, 10KM away on this route in a transit
now that fuel savinghttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=N71+%4051.938054,+-9.657148&daddr=N71+%4051.932141,+-9.649912+to:kenmare+kerry&hl=en&geocode=14060595863331648926,51.938054,-9.657148%3B7687344476169400744,51.932141,-9.649912&mra=ls&via=1&sll=51.882478,-9.604883&sspn=0.023789,0.055275&ie=UTF8&ll=51.911238,-9.63192&spn=0.095093,0.2211&z=12
Good man joey! That was a good mpg increase. I hear you about it being a little boring. It took me a while to get over that and it's still hard when i'm going home off nights and all i want to do is give her holly! There's two cars in the house here and one is a diesel. My first diesel too and i have to learn how to get the best mileage out of it. Slow doesn't seem to do the job in an unmodified diesel. The engine just cools down and loses efficiency. The Drive Her On theory stands up here. However, that just consumes diesel, just not as much as an equivalent petrol car. So, how get the best from a diesel? Well, i have a theory, correct me if i'm wrong! Drive Her On seems to just work the engine hard enough to get it hot and therefore efficient. This just uses more diesel. How do i get it hot without having to floor it everywhere? Tyres are not cheap! My solution is to block up most of the radiator, about 60% so far and no overheating and no fan coming on unduly. The mpg has climbed to the EPA figure of 67mpg over a good distance. I'll block it up a little more and see how it goes. Once the fan isn't coming on she's sweet. The odd time would be ok, say up a hill or what have you. Are there any diesel mechanics out there that would know how to get the most mpg from a diesel engine? The reason i have this hot engine theory is because i drove the car hard one night for the first half of the commute and took it easy (80kph) for the second half. I averaged 150mpg on the second half for maybe 15 to 20 minutes then it steadily dropped to 50mpg. If i dont get the heat into the engine, it just wants to do 50-55mpg at any speed (except warp speed, then it drinks it fast). Truly infuriating! My petrol civic just gets better as i go slower. I just dont want to go that slow!