Revenue to clamp down on un registered street traders

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Looks like another group of people that have been making a packet and not paying tax income are now in the sights of the Revenue. They have to provide details of trading or else they will not get a licence for 2007.
Joe Costello Lab TD has weighed in to support them-saying that they are from inner city flats and that its a cold, hard life (so is working on a building site or any outdoors job in Dec and these people pay tax. It is also claimed they have no records...I seem to recall that the brothers Bovale tried the same defense.
IMHO Henry St is better place without them-they clog it up with useless twat-so of which is conterfeit and then they leave all their rubbish behind them.
 
That word has a variety of meanings, from the innocent to the very vulgar.
I agree that they should pay tax and that litter laws should be enforced in the city centre where they operate.
Joe Costello’s stance shows incredible double standards. Tax evasion is either right or wrong, its acceptability is not contingent on your socio-economic rank or position.

The fact that much of the product sold by street traders in Dublin city centre is counterfeit and/or smuggled is also an issue that deserved public scrutiny, since it is a major source of income for organised criminals. I could well be wrong but I don’t think Mr Costello is exorcised by such considerations. Populist? The Labour Party;No!
 
Purple said:
That word has a variety of meanings, from the innocent to the very vulgar.
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Given the length of time the traders have formed part of Dublin's colourful street scene and the excellent service they have provided to their inner-city customers it's seems unfair to refer to one of them as "a person regarded as stupid or obnoxious*" don't you think?

* The only alternative meaning (apart from the vulgar one) given in the Concise Oxford Dictionary.
 
Luternau said:
IMHO Henry St is better place without them-they clog it up with useless twat-so of which is conterfeit and then they leave all their rubbish behind them.
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My reading of the above is that 'twat' refers to what is being sold, not who is selling it. I don't see how it could be taken otherwise.
 
No offense meant-I thought twat was correct, whereas 'tat;' is more appropriate. I did nonethe less say useless t_at...not useless t_at's .. ;-)

Joe Costello's comments on these indivuduals status and contibution is much more interesting to the majority of people. I think the discussion on correct english is a different matter.
 
Purple said:
The fact that much of the product sold by street traders in Dublin city centre is counterfeit and/or smuggled is also an issue that deserved public scrutiny, since it is a major source of income for organised criminals.
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Source? It's pretty obvious that cheap fags are smuggled, but are the bananas in Moore St really counterfeit?
 
but are the bananas in Moore St really counterfeit?
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No...but they are certainly not selling todays fruit today-Its amazing to see the traders picking through their stalls and throwing away the rotten ones-just the rotten ones. I think they buy whats not sold from previous days from the fruit market.

My original post was just about the christmas traders on Henry st. All of whom sell junk and this year, a few were openly selling genuine replica Chloe , Fendi,Louis Vitton, Prada handbags on the street...how they get away with it I dont know. Maybe its because the Customs feel sorry for them haveing to stand out in the cold all day selling them and as per the article they are all mates of Joe Costello. They dont even have to pay refuse charges-just leave it all behind so tax payers money can be spent clearing it away. Its the same on Moore St with the rotten veg left behind. All this just a minute or two from our main boulevard.
 
Luternau said:
No...but they are certainly not selling todays fruit today-Its amazing to see the traders picking through their stalls and throwing away the rotten ones-just the rotten ones. I think they buy whats not sold from previous days from the fruit market.
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Shop around - these days you can pick your own without the oul wans biting your arm off (well mostly!) and you can get good quality stuff if you are careful.
 
Shop around - these days you can pick your own without the oul wans biting your arm off (well mostly!) and you can get good quality stuff if you are careful.
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Have to say I actually love Moore street-the shops, the cultures and the banter from the 'Wans'.
Would not buy fruit from them-go to the etnetic shops or Lidl-better quality, and cheaper!
I cant add this up-they pay virtually no rent, have no electricity costs, no refuse costs, low staff costs and yet they are not that cheap-not as cheap as they were in years gone by. They dont charge the bag levy either. Looks like take take take. At least they council is looking at charging the traders rates from now on-see if the prices go up. Joe is going to earn his seat next time around! :D
 
Luternau said:
Would not buy fruit from them-go to the etnetic shops or Lidl-better quality, and cheaper!
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If you find Lidl fruit & veg cheaper than the stalls then you are looking in the wrong place! Plenty of stalls sell stuff that is as good quality and better value than the shops.
They dont charge the bag levy either.
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They don't have to. There is an exemption for bags used to store fresh food. Many of them don't bother giving you a bag if you have one already. Seems reasonable to me.
 
They dont charge the bag levy either.
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I was in Tescos yesterday, and the person in front asked for one of those 'lifetime' shopping bags. I was rather surprised to see that the bag came wrapped in another plastic bag! This outer bag was immediately thrown away at the till.
 
I would have expected so for loose bread even though it's not specifically mentioned in http://www.environ.ie/DOEI/DOEIPol.nsf/wvNavView/Plastic+Bags?OpenDocument&Lang= (this summary):
Is the levy be charged on all types of plastic bags?

No. Certain types of plastic bags are excluded from the levy, as set out in the Regulations. Broadly the exclusions cover re-usable shopping bags which are sold for 70 cents or more, bags used to contain fresh meat, fish or poultry (whether packaged or otherwise), bags used to contain loose fruit and vegetables and other foods that are not otherwise packaged and bags used to contain ice. Plastic bags used to contain goods or products sold on board an aircraft or ship, and in an area of a port or airport to which intending passengers are denied access unless in possession of a valid ticket or boarding card, are also excluded from the levy.
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But I presume that the levy does not prebent individual shops from unilaterally choosing to charge whatever they like for whatever bags they might provide as long as they divulge the price and don't make out that it's a Government levy when it's not?
 
How relevant is the size of the bag? In my local s/market, small, unmarked plastic bags are provided in the fruit and veg section and I think for bread-rolls and other unwrapped bread. Tax is not charged on them. A significantly-larger (shop-branded) plastic bag requested at the checkout would be charged the tax.

Does it mean that if you arrive at the checkout with armfuls of unbagged food that fits the description of 'fresh' could you demand the large bags tax-free?
 
Getting back to the original post, Joe Costello showed an interesting side to his character when he came out in favour of street traders avoiding tax. For a guy who purports to be on the side of right and good, his blatant pitch for votes in the inner city, even at the expense of encouraging tax evasion, is something of a shocker.

Basically, if you earn money, you pay tax. We all have to do it, regarless of how hard we had to work, or under what conditions. If you project his logic, fishermen, farmers, and builders labourers must surely also be exempt from paying their share.

The other interesting thing was the silence from other inner city TDs. It appearsthat they are ok with tax evaasion too.
 
pat127 said:
Does it mean that if you arrive at the checkout with armfuls of unbagged food that fits the description of 'fresh' could you demand the large bags tax-free?
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Doubt it but try it and let us know how you get on.
 
It is reported in the Irish Independent (and I do not assume, nor would I encourage anybody to assume, that it is therefore accurate).

In the Independent, Mr. Costello was reported as saying that collection of tax from the traders was not something that the Revenue Commissioners, should be exercising themselves about. He is also quoted as saying that many of these traders had never filed a return in their lives.
 
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