Breakdown of law and order

Intoduced by a Labour minister.
Indeed - introduced by Labour Minister who covered the cost of the fees by abolishing the tax dodge around covenants that allowed wealthy people to avoid tax - it was a revenue neutral measure. All grants that were in place before the measure continued to be in place after the measure, and these were expanded in later years.
 
Indeed - introduced by Labour Minister who covered the cost of the fees by abolishing the tax dodge around covenants that allowed wealthy people to avoid tax - it was a revenue neutral measure. All grants that were in place before the measure continued to be in place after the measure, and these were expanded in later years.

Covenants allowed anyone with an income to avoid tax. The suggestion that it was a tax dodge specifically for the wealthy is spurious since it was capped at quite a low level anyway.
Grant payments were increased in later years, but not by Labour. The increases didn't do much more than stay ahead of inflation. They certainly didn't make a material difference to people from poor areas who were trying to attend college.
 
Isn't AAM great for jumping to conclusions? So we're told that the problems in council housing are down to the people, not the buildings.

I guess it is the people's fault that there is no heating in Rosemount, and that the windows are falling out of the frames, and that the chimney fumes are coming through the walls; http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2009/sep/13/flats-from-hell-the-city-council-forgot/

I guess it is the fault of the people in Dolphin House that "FAECAL COLIFORM levels more than 570-million times the safe level for drinking water have been detected in the sinks of flats in Dolphin House, Dublin." [broken link removed] Perhaps they should stop using their toilets maybe?
I agree that this is disgraceful and should be rectified. Thanks for highlighting these examples of public sector incompetence and inefficiency.


We're told that anti-social behaviour is more common in council estates, but no evidence is presented. We're told that people in council estates are less likely to care for their environment, but no evidence is presented.
Take a walk through a few council estates in West Dublin and then take a walk near your home.

We're told that criminals will consider their mother's housing needs before committing a crime
I didn’t see that post. Can you point it out?

Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, maybe some of the AAM experts could come up with solutions that actually work in the real world, as opposed working inside the heads of the AAM experts?
It would be nice if, for once, you suggested anything constructive. Anything. Just once... or do you think everything’s ok the way it is?
 
We're told that anti-social behaviour is more common in council estates, but no evidence is presented. We're told that people in council estates are less likely to care for their environment, but no evidence is presented.
Of course anti-social behaviour is more common in council estates, and it is to do with the people rather than the buildings. I know this because I have eyes and ears. I don't need any studies to tell me the obvious.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if, just once, maybe some of the AAM experts could come up with solutions that actually work in the real world, as opposed working inside the heads of the AAM experts?


It would be nice if, for once, you suggested anything constructive. Anything. Just once... or do you think everything’s ok the way it is?

Posted for Purple as I know you have this social exclusion thing going on. We're all ears.
 
Of course anti-social behaviour is more common in council estates, and it is to do with the people rather than the buildings. I know this because I have eyes and ears. I don't need any studies to tell me the obvious.

Are you God? Unless you are omniscient, I'm really not sure at all how your own 'eyes and ears' can give you a definitive view on this. There are all kinds of estates round the country, at various stages of maturity and development - public and private. They're all different.
 
Are you God? Unless you are omniscient, I'm really not sure at all how your own 'eyes and ears' can give you a definitive view on this. There are all kinds of estates round the country, at various stages of maturity and development - public and private. They're all different.

There's none as blind as those who will not see.
 
Of course anti-social behaviour is more common in council estates, and it is to do with the people rather than the buildings. I know this because I have eyes and ears. I don't need any studies to tell me the obvious.

Even if you wanted you could do your own study pretty easily. Go to daft.ie or myhome.ie and take a look at house prices. Compare similiar size houses in council estates with those in private estates equi-distant to the city centre. Should be fairly obvious to those who actually buy their own homes where they will pay more for.
 
Even if you wanted you could do your own study pretty easily. Go to daft.ie or myhome.ie and take a look at house prices. Compare similiar size houses in council estates with those in private estates equi-distant to the city centre. Should be fairly obvious to those who actually buy their own homes where they will pay more for.
This reminds me of the man who knew the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Is there a direct relationship between anti-social behaviour and house prices? Perhaps you'd better tell those people I met last month in a very 'nice' (and very expensive) estate off the Sandyford Road who are plagued by anti-social behaviour arising from underage drinking by their neighbour's teenagers.
 
This reminds me of the man who knew the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Is there a direct relationship between anti-social behaviour and house prices? Perhaps you'd better tell those people I met last month in a very 'nice' (and very expensive) estate off the Sandyford Road who are plagued by anti-social behaviour arising from underage drinking by their neighbour's teenagers.

Do you have a link for this?

I'm not (and no-one else is either) saying anti-social behaviour doesn't happen in private estates...of course it does...but I think that there is more of an occurrance in council estates. If you want to name and shame particular estates then how about SouthHill in Limerick? Think I'd take my chances in Sandyford
 
There were some interesting comments about St Nathy's House in Churchtown on the front page of this week's Southside People, e.g.

"families with young children forced to leave their accomodation because of health complaints"

"Window frames completely rotten - you can feel a draft through the windows even though the council insualted them'

"I can come up the stairs and there are people going to the toilet"

"Syringes have been found in the field out there"

Just to put in context those claims of 'nice' social housing.
 
There were some interesting comments about St Nathy's House in Churchtown on the front page of this week's Southside People, e.g.

"families with young children forced to leave their accomodation because of health complaints"

"Window frames completely rotten - you can feel a draft through the windows even though the council insualted them'

"I can come up the stairs and there are people going to the toilet"

"Syringes have been found in the field out there"

Just to put in context those claims of 'nice' social housing.


Is there anything stopping the people who live there:

Putting in new windows (they are getting the accomodation for nothing remember)?
Forming a residents association, campaigning to their local coucillor and contacting the Gardai?

Or must the state provide everything for some people?
 
There were some interesting comments about St Nathy's House in Churchtown on the front page of this week's Southside People, e.g.

"families with young children forced to leave their accomodation because of health complaints"

"Window frames completely rotten - you can feel a draft through the windows even though the council insualted them'

"I can come up the stairs and there are people going to the toilet"

"Syringes have been found in the field out there"

Just to put in context those claims of 'nice' social housing.


I believe this was addressed in Purple's first response (2nd sentence) in post 43 also.
 
When I was young I was a bit scared to walk through LA housing estates.

To this day, I am wary.

There tends to be more toys just left out in gardens and on the streets.
 
I live in a brand new housing estate(2/3yrs) and the developer set aside a large portion (20/30%) of the development to social and affordable housing. I have a good friend living in an affordable house in this same estate that he purchased three yrs ago from the council.
He is at his wits end at this stage because of the filth and dirt that is eminating from the social area of the develpment. He wants to move but he'll be in serious negative equity. It has to pointed out that most of these people in the social area of the develpoment(Irish, african, eastern european) have been moved on from other areas of the town and have been very fortunate to move into brand new top of the range houses and all for nothing!! They will not even pay 50/60 euro a year for grass cutting saying that it is the council's job.
What is giong on in this country.
I can't wait for their little darlings to start kicking up!!
 
No-one gets council housing for free.

how muc is the norm to be paid....€10 or €15 a week/month?
I see corporation estates/flats in Dublin with small green areas where the concil workers go in to pick up rubbish and cut the grass...I just don't understand how the residents are'nt made do something/anything
 
Their tenancy agreement - same as most tenants.

Why do you assume that they haven't?

That's probably true about the tenacy agreement. Do you think the tenants are exaggerating? If not does this not point to poor provision & maintenance of public housing? What about the Health & Safety of the local authority?

I would hope that the residents haved formed a resident association, campaigned to their local authority and contacted the gardai...can you post the link to the Southside People, as all you posted were random comments (from whom we don't even know)?

Since "No-one gets council housing for free", if it's that bad, perhaps they should vote with their pocket and find alternative accomodation?
 
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