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Sarah Carey's [broken link removed] covers this ground.
The_Banker
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Mmmm so they want the kids to give some of there money towards the upkeep of the church.. It would sound noble if they didnt have a history of having the hand out in the past.
However, I would never fund an organisation where I didnt have a say in how its run.
However, I would never fund an organisation where I didnt have a say in how its run.
I was listening to the topic of communions being discussed on the radio recently and the dj said that he was aware of a case whereby a student had not made an appearance at the church on the day of the communion and when asked why the following Monday the student said that the family had been too busy with the party to go to the church!!
Anyone think this actually could be true??!
Anyone think this actually could be true??!
A colleague of mine, who is very involved in her parish, told me a similar story. What with the hairdresser and the make-up and the rest, they ran out of time to go to the Church and went on the other post-Communion event venue.
I believe her.
It sounds bizarre but think about it - Christmas, Easter - the same could easily apply.
Apart from being individualised and having more overt/immediate religious significance, communion isn't that different.
Parties take over generally - even birthdays aren't really about celebrating the the birth/life of the person concerned usually.
Apart from being individualised and having more overt/immediate religious significance, communion isn't that different.
Parties take over generally - even birthdays aren't really about celebrating the the birth/life of the person concerned usually.
I dunno, could be a nice reciprocal earner there - maybe bouncy castles could have their productss plastered with advertising?
"Try Mass - it's great!!"
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I dont think so, they would probably be done for false advertising...
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the State has also used the church to provide education for children?
I don't agree that the children opt in for the craic - if they are not baptised can they even do this? lots of children in RC ethos schools sit it out nowadays, usually because their parents have the courage of their convictions.
When in Rome is all I' ed say.
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Our youngest made her Communion last Sunday. On a good note, everyone arrived on time, also the priest asked that all would refrain from taking photos in the church and INCREDIBLY everyone complied. The Children ONLY were then accompanied by their teachers outside to the church steps for a group photo before the service began. Only one 'professional' photographer to get all their attention at the one time and the school are providing all families with one free copy. We only had one mobile going off during the service, but otherwise the Communion was very well planned and a Great Day for all involved.
"This church has been pervert free for X-days"
The thing that cracks me up to some extent about churches laying down restrictive rules about the likes of communions, funerals etc, is that these things are their cash cows.
I'm sure it would be great if all these people came to Mass and put their hands in their pockets when the dish comes around, but they don't. They do, for whatever reason, want the christening, communion, wedding and funeral and the church is more than happy to take their money for these.
So the church pockets the money and then starts complaining about the people who've just stumped up a not insignificant amount of cash. Nice.
The context here is first Holy Communions and the behaviour of individuals during the ceremonies. I'm not clear on the basis for your assertion that fHC is a source of cash for the Church. IIRC, families are not asked to contribute to the Church for fHC.
Am I assume, for other postings, that there is a consensus of opinion that the Church should just be happy to have people turn up and have to tolerate their behaviour ? So, by extension, is it OK for a guest in your home to behave as they wish (e.g. smoke without asking and drop ash & butts on the carpet) ?
The majority of the money received by the Church comes from the Sunday collections and Easter dues which are paid by regular mass goers. The contributions made by people using the Church for weddings, christenings (never heard of Communions needing a contribution) etc are a minor part of their funding and a lot of it goes on stuff like turning on the heating and lights for the afternoon, cleaning the red carpet, etc. Why should they get all this for free when they make absolutely no contribution for the rest of the year? It really annoys me the way some people like the Church to be there as a handy resource when they want it, but expect everyone else to pay for its maintainance and upkeep and give up their time free of charge to polish the floor, arrange the flowers on the altar and so on. And I don't think the Church is 'more than happy' to have people like this using the Church. From what I've heard they would far prefer if only people for whom the sacraments mean something would actually take part in them and other people would stop being hypocritical and disrespectful.
When This post will be deleted if not edited immediately saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.
Mark 10:14
Where in the Gospels does it say that people have to sit still and stay quiet during Mass?
Mark 10:14
Where in the Gospels does it say that people have to sit still and stay quiet during Mass?
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Dont think so.. If the Catholic Church wanted people who were only there because the sacrament meant something to them then they wouldn't baptise infants, give first holy communion to 7/8 year olds and confirm 12 year olds. What does a new born know about baptism or a 7 year old about the body and blood of christ?
If they would only prefer people to whom these sacrements meant something then they would only baptise/give communion/confer 18 year olds after they are mature enough to make a decision on whether they want to be full members of a cult/church/organisation or not.
The Church gets little or nothing for communion/confirmation but it is a loss leader.
"Get um in young enough and you have them for another generation"
Likewise, if parents aren't bothered about catholicism and don't practice it, they are not supposed to have their children baptised into the Church and stand at the font promising to raise them as Catholics. People like my parents, who are very staunch Catholics, find that disgusting and hypocritical. They're certainly not saying 'great, how much can we fleece them for'.
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Id agree with you here to an extent.. Hypocracy on both sides.
I think you've got that wrong.
In the words of the immortal Gay Byrne:
"As we all know, catholics are devout and protestants are staunch"
BTW Liaconn, as I think may know already, I agree with your general view on the whole hyprocrisy thing - and I say that as an agnostic.
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Liaconn - I totally agree with everything youve said in this thread and Im atheist.