Women have a freedom to travel, and that is what they do when they leave Ireland to have an abortion, it has no bearing on the discussion.
It is absolutely hypocritical of the Irish people to have voted to allow women to travel for abortion and to have information on abortion but not allow abortion.
If we don't allow abortion then we actually should prevent women travelling to have an abortion. Funnily enough we argued this issue 20 years ago, because actually some groups would like us all tested as we boarded planes.
Women have a freedom to travel, and that is what they do when they leave Ireland to have an abortion, it has no bearing on the discussion.
No please enlighten us all, and don't spare the details.Do you understand biology?.
So men should vote on male topics and women to vote on womens only - not very equal.Women and men have an equal stake in the creation of a pregnancy, an unequal stake in the process of pregnancy and childbirth and an equal financial and moral responsibility to a child if it is born.
It's shocking that you resort to this childishness.Its shocking to think that an adult would not understand these basic facts.
Women have a freedom to travel, and that is what they do when they leave Ireland to have an abortion, it has no bearing on the discussion.
It's not going to be a "yes" women can but "no" men can't have a termination vote now is it.Yes I'd like society to make the decision but it still needs to be a yes or no for women only.
Agree- but you've missed the point that society includes both men and women.Personally I don't see why we need to debate on whether men should have a say at all on the issue. It's just clouding the debate. What is important is that we as a society debate on whether women can have one, under what circumstances and whether it's ok that 12 Irish women a day go to the UK for an abortion.
women are free to travel for whatever pupose they wish, as far as I'm aware nobody has recommened some Gestapo like checks as you board.It is absolutely hypocritical of the Irish people to have voted to allow women to travel for abortion and to have information on abortion but not allow abortion.
Ridiculous. women and men travel for a variety of reasons, some of which are illegal here; trying to curtail this is farcical.If we don't allow abortion then we actually should prevent women travelling to have an abortion.
If women and men have equal financial and moral responsibility to a child if it is born then why should men have no say in the matter?Do you understand biology?
Women and men have an equal stake in the creation of a pregnancy, an unequal stake in the process of pregnancy and childbirth and an equal financial and moral responsibility to a child if it is born.
Its shocking to think that an adult would not understand these basic facts.
Bronte, I’m sure you are aware that I have great respect for you but that’s an awful post. You are implying that men would rather kill their unborn child than support it financially. Why is it that women want abortions for the best of reasons but men want them for selfish and hypocritical reasons? Your post is deeply sexist and utterly heartless.I wonder how many Irish men have paid for abortions. I wonder how many men would gladly pay for an abortion instead of child support. And no doubt would vote against abortion in Ireland too.
I wonder how many Irish men have paid for abortions. I wonder how many men would gladly pay for an abortion instead of child support. And no doubt would vote against abortion in Ireland too.
I've no doubt that is what he said, with or without the link, I wasn't implying you made it up or heard it from your neighbours,daughters husbands dog walker who's sister is a nurse etc etc.This information came from the interview with Praveen broadcast on 14th November on RTE's Primetime during which he states, that the medical staff confirmed she was miscarrying 17 weeks into her pregnancy, her cervix was completely dilated, thus making the pregnancy unviable.
I can't find the link at the moment on the RTE player, looks like it's been removed?
If women and men have equal financial and moral responsibility to a child if it is born then why should men have no say in the matter?
The facts of the biology of the matter have little bearing on the moral issue.
I know that you are against late term abortions so can I therefore take it that in your view at some stage the life of the unborn child takes precedence over the woman’s right to choose? If this is the case then the woman’s right to choose is not absolute and the right to life of the child kicks in eventually.
I mentioned biology because a poster seems to think that unless men have a say over what happens to womens bodies while they are pregnant then men should not support their children - its a ridiculous misogynistic notion that women get no say over their own bodies but men do otherwise they dont pay child support.
I mentioned biology because a poster seems to think that unless men have a say over what happens to womens bodies while they are pregnant then men should not support their children - its a ridiculous misogynistic notion that women get no say over their own bodies but men do otherwise they dont pay child support.
I think you missed the rather obvious point that this question was posed rhetorically.
As far as I am concerned, the right to life of the child becomes equal when it is no longer dependant on the womens body (I am happy for science/medicine to determine that point).
Equal to what?
The mother's right to life?
The mother's right to health?
The mother's "right to choose"?
Do you think so?
Given the tone and content of other posts from the same source? I have my doubts.
Given the overall tone of the discussion, and not singling out anyone in particular, I think the thread should now be closed.
That is the objective of some posters here. They are posting deliberately inflammatory posts in order to get the thread shut down. It is a typical response because some people want all discussion of abortion censored. Not singling out anyone in particular.
I don't think there much evidence here that anyone wants to censor discussion of abortion.
I still think the thread should be closed.
When one, misquotes and lables other misogynistic for no valid reason, that too could be deemed inflammatory, but as long as they're on your side of the argument it's ok.They are posting deliberately inflammatory posts in order to get the thread shut down.
I don't see any evidence of wanting it censored, can you show me where you've gotten that from?It is a typical response because some people want all discussion of abortion censored. Not singling out anyone in particular.
Goodness me Purple I didn't mean to be sexist or heartless. And I certainly do not think that all women want abortions for the best of reasons. There are women who use abortion as a contraception and all sorts of myriad other reasons. I would wish that such abortions didn't have to happen in the first place but that doesn't change the fact that they do. I wish both women and men always used contraception, that contraception was always fail safe, that people would take care, but depending on the circumstances this does not always occur. I also wish every Monday morning so many women didn't go looking for the morning after pill.Bronte, I’m sure you are aware that I have great respect for you but that’s an awful post. You are implying that men would rather kill their unborn child than support it financially. Why is it that women want abortions for the best of reasons but men want them for selfish and hypocritical reasons? Your post is deeply sexist and utterly heartless.
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