Duke of Marmalade
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Yeah, so a closed space, like two people in an office or house, i.e., a lot more than 2m apart. I don't think you're suggesting pubs should be limited to a single group?
It would seem from your arguments that the only logical conclusion is to keep them closed.
Reduce social distance to 1m for all businesses. It is going to happen anyway so do it now.
So that's the rule for offices. Now apparently I can go to the pub for 105 minutes, sit one metre away from a group different to my own (who I am not socially distancing from even though they might not be from my household as we are sharing a table), and eat a €9 meal.
So I can have a 2 hour meeting in a meeting room with some colleagues or outside vendors/visitors but if I go to my local restaurant, I can sit with anyone at my own table, sit 1m away from other tables for 105 minutes but that is considered the same risk only because I am buying a €9 meal and there for 15 minutes less?
Sure why did we bother with restrictions at all? They were all going to be scrapped anyway....
The €9 meal has been explained to you half a dozen times on the thread already.
It's a legal defintion used to allow pubs to re-open for the purposes of operating as a restaurant.
You obviously don't understand it but hopefully you're not running a licensed premises.
Actually the 'legal definition' that you cling to is in shillings......Now suddenly it is a key part of licencing legislation. The Legislation also states that it should be a main course so can a pub not sell a nice starter dish of two big prawns for €9.05 or are we going to have staff tell someone that they need to eat more as technically the meal is not substantial enough???
Remember that quote from Shakespeare: "First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers."
You're making some fair points about the impact on businesses of 2m v 1m.
But this bar-room(!) barrister stuff isn't doing you any favours.
Sit down at a table at lunch in a busy tourist spot, e.g. a fishing village in Malta.
They don't want someone tying up a table ordering beers and a side of chips.
They had no problem telling people if they wanted drinks they needed to order a main course lunch.
So why would an irish pub have a problem doing the same unless they determine that they want to evade the rules or be difficult.
If an Irish pub wants to open but is too timid or pig ignorant to tells its customers what it needs to do, it shouldn't open and frankly if it goes bust it is its own fault.
You are missing the point. I couldn't care less if pubs have to serve food. But what has it got to do with reducing your chances of getting Covid?
Also the definition of what food is? We seem to have decided on €9 is what decides. So what is to stop any pub deciding to sell €9 euro sandwiches? But it has to be substantial? Well who decides that? Staff? Are we going to have inspectors going around checking to make sure people ate a substantial mean? It's just nonsensical
Bring in restrictions and regulations by all means. But they have to make sense and they have be able to be enforced. Again, it is like the mask mess. We encourage you to wear it unless you can't. Don't stigmitise anyone who decides not to wear one. We should be wearing masks. We need to do better. It is a confusing mess.
The problem here is that pubs serving food were right to say they should be allowed to open same time as restaurants and should not have been in later phase. These restrictions just seem like they were made up to justify bringing forward the opening of these places.
The social media addicts will enforce it probably,they are the new "valley of the squinting windows". I think that's one of the unfortunate consequences of the corona virus, a bigger state that has a bigger say in the minutiae of your life and an army of social media informers to enforce it.90 mins increased to 105 mins as a compromiseWho is going to enforce these arbitrary regulations
Yeah because that is what I said.Do you have any idea how much money is been spent by businesses in making sure they adhere to 2m social distance that the Government have stated is under constant review. How many businesses can't open because of the 2m?
And they cater to tourists... and there's no tourists.I see all the Temple Bar pubs are now not opening on june 29, Ive heard alot of others are not opening either , the costs and work to comply are too onerous its just not worth it. I think when july 20 rolls along some consideration and thought will have to be given to bars like in Temple bar, that are not restaurants , that are not table service where the main offering is entertainment
The way I look at it is that it is all about personal responsibility from now on...
However, despite anecdotal evidence to the contrary, I think the vast majority are sensible and don’t need laws to enforce what they know already. Were it not so, we could never have suppressed the virus as well as we did.
Just because a business want to open is no guarantee of enough customers to ensure sustainability.
Customers will decide and to some extent, dictate what is safe for them.
But where the state has a key role to play in the restrictions are those situations where personal responsibility is not absolute.
In general I think you are right that the actions of individuals is key. The vast majority may be sensible but not all the time and not in all their actions.
But where the state has a key role to play in the restrictions are those situations where personal responsibility is not absolute.
An individual should not be rushed back to work by their employer unnecessarily.
And, when it comes to pubs and drinking we have laws about drink driving etc because we have seen personal responsibility is not enough.
Likewise, we have fire safety limits on venues and concerts because we know that many owners will otherwise let too many people in.
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