I don't understand your point. Are you telling me that rules like you must spend €9 on a meal of substance and you can't spend more than 90 minutes in a pub are easily understood, implemented and enforceable for the majority of businesses? Oh and if you do this, you only have to do 1m social distance.
So you could spend an hour perusing the menu whilst having a few aperitifsNow they want 9euro minimum for a meal at a pub and a maximum stay of 1.5 hrs
Simon Harris has asked we keep our social circle small. So instead of meeting 4 groups of different people in the space of a month, meet one group four times. Keep the contract tracing circle small.
Meanwhile, we’re getting the opposite message regarding visiting pubs.
Instead of six hours in one pub, spend 90mins each in four pubs.
It's not an opposite measure.
The restrictions in the pubs are so that your contacts there don't meet the definiton of a 'close contact' .
How????
1. Buying a meal? No.
2. 1m Social distance? No.
3. Spending 90 minutes per pub. No
What I’m getting at though, and haven’t made clear, is that if a group of people go drinking for six hours, and one of the has the virus (pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic), if he/she remained in one pub for six hours, the number of people he/she infects is limited to one venue.
But because of the 90min time limit, that group will go to four pubs, and the occupants of four venues may get infected instead.
Look at what happened in Soeul. They opened the pubs and clubs and one guy got off with a few different fellas in a few different clubs, spreading the virus.
The 1m social distance is 70% effective at protecting you from an infected person in the pub.
The 90 minutes I assume is so that if there is someone with the virus into the pub exhaling into the air, that your viral exposure is kept within a certain limit.
It's an equation of distance * time * level of exposure.
In the pub all night but at a 2 metres distance would also meet their criteria for safe contact.
I'm not an expert, so I'm trying to outline the rationale for the restrictions as I see it.
But I'm not sure what your alternative angle is here.
Are you advocating it should be 2 metres social distancing but without a time limit?
Keep the pubs shut until the next phase when they can re-open more as pubs and not as a restaurant?
Not have any restrictions?
That's not true most closed before they were ordered to. The "restriction date" is arbitrary its not a religious date handed down from on highThe publicans have tried every means possible to open all their premises earlier than the restriction date.
3. Spending 90 minutes per pub. No
How does a 9 euro meal and 90 minutes justify reducing social distance to 1m
Look at the detailed modelling they did on the clusters in restaurants and offices where a single carrier infected multiple people around them. Time spent in an enclosed space with a carrier is very much a factor.
You still haven't suggested what you think would be reasonable, effective, and achievable measures?
Again, where did I deny that time doesn't matter. I want to know where the 90 minutes came from.
Their own definition of a close contact is 120 minutes.
And if pubs can drop social distance to 1m if people spend less than 105 minutes, then why can't shops do it on the same date considering people are in shops for a lot less than 105 minutes?
The publicans are the ones calling for dispensation, allowing restaurant-like pubs serving meals to open early was their idea. It was all part of the VFI & LVI blueprint for reopening early that they've been pushing since late April. The alternative was to remain closed until August as per the original plan. As soon as that gained any traction, some publicans openly stated they would consider a packet of crisps a meal and they intended opening early.
No, the official position on close contact is 15 minutes within 2m.
Except that is not the full meaning
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A close contact is: Anyone who has spent more than 15 minutes, face-to-face, within two meters of a person with coronavirus in any setting, for example, anyone living in the same household, or someone who has shared a closed space with a confirmed case for more than two hours
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