Which 130+bhp diesel?

Gabriel said:
No...it applies to all situations. Not just corners...I'm talking about bends on b roads. And it's not limited to high speed only. I've driven plenty of front wheel drive cars where you can really feel the understeer on windy roads at comfortable speeds...which makes you break a lot. It's just not an issue at the same speeds with rwd.
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Theres something wrong with how you drive so, there is a difference but it isn't as clear cut as that. IMO.
 
aircobra19 said:
Sweeping generalisation is not useful. An original Elise is 118bhp, MR2 122bhp.
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As said, its over-rated unless in something that weighs the same as a push bike.

Actually getting back to the point, so the only thing the BMW has over the cupra is RWD and thats only when going around corners. AHEM OK....
 
5Times said:
As said, its over-rated unless in something that weighs the same as a push bike.
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You need a new push bike.

5Times said:
Actually getting back to the point, so the only thing the BMW has over the cupra is RWD and thats only when going around corners. AHEM OK....
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There should be a difference (however small) in steering feel because the front wheels are not driven, as well as adjustability on the throttle (again however slight) in some situations. The BMW has a better build quality, especially in the interior much like Audi > Seat. I've never like Seats plasicky interiors myself. Mechanically I doubt any of them would have the reliablity of a Japanese Diesel either.
 
depends, the japanese have really only started to catch onto diesel, if it were my money a Honda 2.2cdti would be on my short list even if I had to wait another year or so.
 
aircobra19 said:
Theres something wrong with how you drive so, there is a difference but it isn't as clear cut as that. IMO.
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Drive the new Primera around even a mild bend at a reasonable (not breakneck speed) and you'll see what I'm talking about...you have no sense of feel. The car just understeers. The same applies to other cars I've driven.

Getting off point. I agree with your other comments for BMW over Seat.
 
cant really compare a poxy tinny primera to a 3 series or cupra they are both classed as high performance cars, cupra being based on a tired and tested chassis, (audi TT)

Its a personal thing about interiors, agree that SEAT has some issues with the lower spec versions, on the Cupra its more improved, they have Recaro seats as standard, the cockpit area is very similar in both cars they are both very well put together, there’s honestly very little in it, the 1.9 engine is also more reliable for say a 01 320D which suffers turbo issues.
 
RS2K said:
I'd nearly bet you have a fwd car. Perhaps a Seat? :D
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I'd nearly bet you have a ford escort with an RS 2000 kit. Owned many cars a SEAT cupra being one of them, and a 318 being one also, your point.
 
A new primera's not really relevant though is it.

I'm no expert just a average joe. But IMO a lot of modern cars have no steering feel. Some [SIZE=-1]subsitutue [/SIZE]massive grip for feeling which some confuse with decent handling. However even some dull handling cars like say a Micra actually do have some feeling once you get used to the initial numbness, and over time you learn to read them better. But if you constantly having to back off you are not driving them right. Consistancy and smooth inputs are what you are aiming for. If you are doing lots of braking you need to adjust to the vehicle. IMO anywayz.

I think the Honda would be one of my favorites had I the money too. I'd still go with the BMW out of this list, regardless of the image. It may not perform any better than the others but its just a nicer place to be. IMO of course.
 
5Times said:
...tired and tested chassis, (audi TT)...

...the 1.9 engine is also more reliable for say a 01 320D which suffers turbo
issues.
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The TT's chassis isn't that well regarded. Tired and tested is right. Unless you mean the new TT.

The 1.9 TDI' VAG Diesels have their own reliability issues from what I'm hearing.

RS2K said:
I'd nearly bet you have a fwd car. Perhaps a Seat? :D
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I've 4 Seats, that do yah? They are all in an Opel though. :eek:
 
horses for courses.

At the time the TT was "reportedly" one of the best, its a good place to start i guess.
 
Cheers for the input. Heart saying beemer, head skoda but this cupra has intrigued both. Must do some research on them. 5Times assume you driven one-is 150 overkill-bordering on dangerous? Traction control standard?
 
5Times said:
I'd nearly bet you have a ford escort with an RS 2000 kit. Owned many cars a SEAT cupra being one of them, and a 318 being one also, your point.
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You'd be wrong then.

My point is you are hopelessly biased.
 
My brother has an audi A4 multitronic 130bhp, nice car. very well put together. firm but nice suspension. Multitronic is no dsg, it saps power a bit and is harder on fuel. 50 mpg if you drive like your granny! The manual would be a better bet. I have the vw passat 130bhp. Good engine and box, interior is crap and mine rattles. Suspension not good. and it's hard on cv boots. But great economy. 50-55 mpg no problem. 60-62 max possible with careful driving.
 
rjt said:
Cheers for the input. Heart saying beemer, head skoda but this cupra has intrigued both. Must do some research on them. 5Times assume you driven one-is 150 overkill-bordering on dangerous? Traction control standard?
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150 is perfect, it really makes the car feel light and brisk, traction control is standard.

Heres an example of one thats for sale on seatcupra.net and autotrader, not sure if it adds up for you with VRT etc, they can be got for cheaper, this one is in very good condition but is sold.

SEAT LEON CUPRA TDI 150/ 04 reg

NORMAL STANDARD SPEC:
6 speed manual
Traction control
8 speaker Dolby stereo surround sound, with 6 cd mulitchanger.
One touch windows
3 mph auto door locking
Drop / adjust steering
Dual climate control
6 speed front intermittent wipers
Bucket seats
Colour of car is magic black metallic
600 mls tank
Car has F/S/H & is in excellent condition.
Car has done 19,400 MLS only from new.

£9,850 O.V.N.O

Heres an irish one in tip for 16,250, I'd say with a little work could be got for less.

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=586431
 
Nice one 5times, cheers. They certainly offer good value for money. Swaying towards one. Will do research at weekend
 
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