I dont think a lot of PS supporters believe anything in the INdo?
I dont think a lot of PS supporters believe anything in the INdo?Don't know what will happen if some accept and some reject but its worth remembering that 73% of PS workers are employed in health and education so if there is not aggreement there its hard to see how real progress will be made.
David Begg recommended a Yes vote on the deal last night.
http://www.independent.ie/national-...te-as-union-leader-supports-deal-2140407.html
As someone who sat on the board of the Central Bank since 1995 and was chairman of the audit committee, David Begg would do well to keep his head down.
What utter rubbish. There is a world of a difference between an export focused SME and a public sector body (bank or other). If you think otherwise you are delusional.I've worked in the SMEs and the export-led organisations, and they are really no different from the big banks or the big public service organisations. Most people work really hard most of the time. Some people don't. Some of the chancers get sorted out, some don't.
More nonsense. If an SME itn't run properly is goes bankrupt. If a state monopoly or public sector body is badly run it simply charges more for the services provided or sucks up more tax payers money. An SME with the sort of La-La-Land working hours, holidays and general work practices common in the public sector would be long gone out of business and a few unskilled floor sweepers thrown in for free by the government wouldn’t make a whit of a difference. The FAS work experience scheme is a joke. Most SME's are looking for skilled people and many (like the one I am in) still can't get them.This myth of the 'self-correcting' private sector just doesn't stand up. When they screw up, they get bailed out by the State, either by bank bailouts, or by the State providing staff for private sector businesses and calling shelf stacking 'work experience' (see http://www.politics.ie/economy/126386-wpp1-2-latest-fas-scam-1.html)
A relative of mine works in a part of the PS where rolling contracts are the norm. Says her boss takes advantage of the fact that a lot of employees are ignorant of the law - would deliberately not tell them when they had acquired permanency. When she herself was offered CID, she got a long speach from the boss about how lucky she was, and how she should be thankful to him for doing this favour etc. etc. etc. and how she's lucky that she has a job etc.etc. even though she knew that he was legally required to do so as she'd exceeded the 4 year limit. He also doesnt formally present the CID contracts to some staff at all as he likes the idea that they think they are only temporary staff as this motivates them to work harder to acquire "permanency" that they already have. I'm told that this practice is common among management in this particular part of the PS - its likely that you work in this area.
If you have a child who is used to having a soother, you would have many soothers throughout the house ,just in case.Let's wait please. Pre-empting what will happen if the PS rejects the deal is fairly stupid. You dont give a child a soother before he cries - mind you, a soother in hand is always wise though.
How on earth did you come up with that, Comrade?The SME people played their card i.e 'We want wages reduced' - They are fairly quiet at the moment. But, make no mistake, this Recession is about making the Richer richer. Everything else is only a cheap smokescreen.
Why do you say that? I think Mr Boucher would be making much more money if the boom had continued.Perhaps Leper heard it from Richie Boucher ?
Why do you say that? I think Mr Boucher would be making much more money if the boom had continued.
More nonsense. If an SME itn't run properly is goes bankrupt. If a state monopoly or public sector body is badly run it simply charges more for the services provided or sucks up more tax payers money. An SME with the sort of La-La-Land working hours, holidays and general work practices common in the public sector would be long gone out of business and a few unskilled floor sweepers thrown in for free by the government wouldn’t make a whit of a difference. The FAS work experience scheme is a joke. Most SME's are looking for skilled people and many (like the one I am in) still can't get them.
Funny enough, those same "la la" conditions plus our alledgedly inflated salaries were still not nealry enough for the PS section that I work in to attract staff during the boom years. In fact several of our talented people left very intresting, demanding and fullfilling posts to go and work in the private sector, where the bonus culture and very high starting salary that everyone says wasn't there, was there.
Its not just the LIFOs and the all or none that cause problems ,its being unable to move dept, being only allowed to do exactly what your job is ,no diversions like watering a plant ,god forbid.And by the way there are people who want to be flexible who would welcome change and reform.
Thedaras, I know you have posted before about working in the CS, so I can only assume that this is based on what you apparently experienced - but honestly, what planet was this on and in what century??
I am a mid ranking CS, in theory I think contracted to work a 37.5 hour week. I normally work a 42/45 hour week approx. I work from home online 1 or 2 nights a week and would work at weekends on a not regular but not infrequent basis. None of this is paid. I do my job, other people's jobs if they are not around or on holiday or if the workload needs to be shared out because it is particularly heavy at a given time.Basically I do the work that needs to be done. Not only am I 'unable to move dept', but if promotions ever get started again, I would be very unlikely to get a promotion in my current Dept as all promotions have for some time been on the basis on inter-departmental competition and the norm has been to move Dept if promoted. Rather annoying for me, as I have a particular academic qualification, a personal interest in and commitment to, and 15 yrs experience in my current area of work.
As for comments that there is nothing in the deal for CS workers, as far as I am concerned there is absolute job security and no further wage cuts for 4 years, which in the current climate is the equivalent of gold dust. Happily, most of the CS in my Union seem to share this view and it has just been passed by over 80% of the members who voted.
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