Bill Struth
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And how much of that tax take comes from the pocket of Public Servants when they pay VAT, VRT, etc. So how is it 'exactly' the amount?
And how much of that tax take comes from the pocket of Public Servants when they pay VAT, VRT, etc. So how is it 'exactly' the amount?That's probably a good idea actually, as your net salary is exactly what has to be raised via taxation from the private sector.
You'd have to include allowances and the cost of pension funding to get that figure. It may be higher than the gross figure!
And how much of that tax take comes from the pocket of Public Servants when they pay VAT, VRT, etc. So how is it 'exactly' the amount?
You make it sound like public servants make no contribution whatsoever.That's a fair point. More money is returned via VAT, VRT. However, as Purple points out I didn't include pensions which will dwarf all that anyway..
Every civilised country in the world has a public sector that has to fund from taxation. The function of the public sector is not to make a profit for the taxpayer in economic terms. The point I am making though, is that, IMO, the public sector should be funded from current taxation (what we can afford) as opposed to putting it on the credit card.
You make it sound like public servants make no contribution whatsoever.
My gross pay for last week was 628.49.
Out of that came 107.49 in PAYE, PRSI and USC.
Pension related deductions amounted to 53.94.
If I was to retire tomorrow at the top of my gold plated pay scale, my rolls royce pension would amount to not much more than the state old age pension.
Put it this way, if my pay is cut again, I'm off. I've a mortgage and a six month old daughter, We'd be better off on the dole.
I fully agree..the unions have done a great job for their members. For real proof, all you have to look at is ballooning in our national debt. Who cares though right, cos it's our kids/grand kids that will have to pay for it eh?
Croke Park has resulted in Services rather than Salaries being cut. This protects those in the PS in the short-term, but when say someone who retires from the PS gets sick and ends up on a trolley in A&E for a few days, or when their disabled grand son can't get special care or if God forbid they are burgled and beaten in the middle of the night but their nearest Garda station has been closed? Would it not be better to reduce pay and maintain services?
That's life , the PS have suffered two arbitrary paycuts
Maintaining services has never been an option since the last Government decided to tackle matters by introducing a voluntary redundancy scheme which has been further extended by the current Government.
I know one "cut" was where the PS have to make a contribution to their pension (as I've already posted...this cut probably won't even cover the lumpsum that they'll get on retirement, nevermind the pension itself).
What was the other paycut?
Exactly.
That shows the real gulf between the public sector and the commercial sector. In a business operating in an open market that had to make a profit the idea that the services they offer could be cut in order to reduce costs is nonsense. Would a shop stop selling things because the cost of employing sales staff was too high or would they reduce staff costs while still providing enough staff to satisfy customer needs?That's life , the PS have suffered two arbitrary paycuts - I would imagine that those employees feel that they have given enough & the Unions will have a massively difficult time in selling such employees any further Agreement that includes cuts to core pay.
Maintaining services has never been an option since the last Government decided to tackle matters by introducing a voluntary redundancy scheme which has been further extended by the current Government.
Granted this was done to guarantee Industrial peace - something that given the measures apparently being sought by the Government under CP2 may prove more difficult , I sure the Unions have been heartened somewhat by Minister Howlin's comments that he doesn't expect to achieve everything sought.
Certainly not, a clerical officer colleague of mine emigrated to Australia recently with her husband and three kids.Please don't take this the wrong way and it's not directed at you specifically, but is unemployment & emigration the preserve of the private sector?
Brian Lenihan's 2010 Budget introduced further paycuts arbitrarily across the Public Sector.
That shows the real gulf between the public sector and the commercial sector. In a business operating in an open market that had to make a profit the idea that the services they offer could be cut in order to reduce costs is nonsense. Would a shop stop selling things because the cost of employing sales staff was too high or would they reduce staff costs while still providing enough staff to satisfy customer needs?
Can you provide a link to any of them please?
Brian Lenihan's 2010 Budget introduced further paycuts arbitrarily across the Public Sector.
I know one "cut" was where the PS have to make a contribution to their pension (as I've already posted...this cut probably won't even cover the lumpsum that they'll get on retirement, nevermind the pension itself).
What was the other paycut?
Across the public service certainly but not across the entire broader public sector (ESB, Bord Gais etc).
I worked in a private sector organisation who operated a pay scale system similar to the public service. When the company was in financial difficulties the increments were frozen for about 4 years. Back increments were never paid but some got double increments on promotion.At a bare minimum all the "increments" should be frozen, and "flexi" eliminated, in addition to a round of benchmarking.
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