CLAUSE 1.28 of the Croke Park agreement on public service pay and conditions states: “The implementation of this agreement is subject to no currently unforeseen budgetary deterioration.”
Time for the government to grow a spine and invoke that clause.
Again, maybe I am wrong and would welcome the details of such "unforseen deterioration".
Hi callybags,
You're probably right. It still doesn't change the fact though that the next generation, as well as trying to pay for their own current expenditure will also have to pay for ours, along with interest.
Firefly.
I fully agree.
I just think it doesn't do the debate any good to introduce red herrings.
There should be targeted redundancies- not voluntary in the public service to reduce the payroll substantially. This should be insisted upon in the next round of negotiations.
From what I can see the majority of salaries ( or where most of the overall spend on salaries goes) are not excessive, so apart from the optics of reducing the higher paid people the savings will have to come from a reduction in the numbers, but as I said above it will have to be targeted to reduce the cuts to services.
The CPA was signed on 06th June 2010.
The bailout was finally agreed on or about 29th November 2010.
I think the 2dogs in the street" knew in June that we were headed for a bailout from the IMF.
You still haven't got the hang of the averages thing, have you? On average, houses in Dublin are more expensive than houses outside Dublin. Does that mean that all house prices in Dublin are over-priced?The CSO's latest report makes interesting reading.
According to Table 1 on Page 6, average earnings in the public sector are, in fact, 50% higher than those in the private sector.
http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/re...cuments/earnings/2012/earnlabcosts_q32012.pdf
You still haven't got the hang of the averages thing, have you? On average, houses in Dublin are more expensive than houses outside Dublin. Does that mean that all house prices in Dublin are over-priced?
Say the government pays out 20bn in salaries & pensions to the public sector. Perhaps 12bn of this will come back in taxes (income, VAT etc). The shortfall of 8bn comes from the private sector. It's these taxpayers that I fear are running out. Sadly the PS cannot fund itself - and this is perfectly understandable - no democratic country in the world has such a public sector. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a well-paid public sector, but strongly feel that it should only be funded from current taxation.
Y...we should be getting rid of services that are not critical and in many cases completely unnecessary or useless.
What evidence do you have of this? Ie:new joiners are non members?
Marion
Good question. I don’t see how it can be said one way or the other if new entrants have joined a union.
Mind you, if I saw my future career prospects and pay and pension eviscerated by the union fat cats in order to protect their mates I would be slow to join up in order to fund their salaries and pensions.
I see, so civil and public servants don't pay tax. Interesting. I guess you'll be happy to use my net salary and not my gross in any future salary comparisons then, given that I don't pay any tax - right?You forget one important thing. Anybody who gets paid out of the tax coffers, does not contribute to the tax revenue by being taxed on income. The government does not end up with something that it didn't already have before it paid someone. The €20bn used for salaries has to originally come from the private economy. Government does not have any money of its own and cannot perpetuate income from its direct employees.
Would you care to be specific about which services are 'completely unnecessary or useless'?Instead of pay cuts we should be getting rid of services that are not critical and in many cases completely unnecessary or useless.
I see, so civil and public servants don't pay tax. Interesting. I guess you'll be happy to use my net salary and not my gross in any future salary comparisons then, given that I don't pay any tax - right?
That's probably a good idea actually, as your net salary is exactly what has to be raised via taxation from the private sector.
On the bright side , as you have opined from time to time , nobody can deny that the Unions have done great work on behalf of their members particularly in terms of pay !
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