Thinking of having baby in 'Mount Carmel', Dublin. Any experiences?

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kramer2006 said:
Hmm. I'd be very surprised if MC were not able to handle the delivery of twins.
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I didn't say that they can't handle the delivery of twins. I stated that quite a few of the cases that they couldn't handle were twins.

The pen is red. This does not mean that ALL pens are red.
 
fizzelina said:
Kitten is sharing an actual experience, not making some flip remark. I really respect her honestly and I think it was an awful shock for her to get with her newborn. If that baby had been born in Holles St maybe things would have been alot different and less serious, that's her opinion and she's entitled to it.
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I was pointing out that this is just one (thankfully rare) incident and that I would not base one's maternity care plans on hearing one person's bad experience at MC. Kitten is entitled to her opinion, as I'm entitled to mine.

fizzelina said:
Kramer and Pat - you clearly don't like each other's posts - accept it and move on. Kramer, your post just giving quotes of all Pat's comments doesn't really add anything. We're all very clear from what you posted before of what you think of Pat's comments. You're both adults, move on.
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Well thank you for pointing that out. As long as Pat continues to imply that most people attend MC in order to display their vast wealth, I'll continue to refute that. This is a discussion forum, after all.

If you don't feel my posts are adding anything to this discussion, then feel free to ignore them, instead of wagging your finger.
 
David_Dublin said:
the mind boggles why someone would post this. As pinkybear pointed out, you dont seem to understand how things work - Did you hear the one about the fella who collapsed, and the ambulanceman tried to resusitate him to ask him which hospital he'd like to go to.....no, I thought not.

For non emergency procedures people choose hospitals that have the capability to do whatever it is people want done. MC deliver babies. End of story.
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And you were slagging off Grizzly for his post about carpets? Wasting bytes and all that.....
 
Complainer said:
I didn't say that they can't handle the delivery of twins. I stated that quite a few of the cases that they couldn't handle were twins.
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Your post gave no details about why these women were transferred from MC, only that some of them happened to be expecting twins.

Is the fact that they were twins pertinent to the story at all? Some people might interpret your post as having implied that MC couldn't handle twins. I wished to clarify the point and see if anyone had any first-hand experience of multiple births at MC.

fizzelina said:
Yet another personal experience that you are doubting? If the poster says it happened then who are you to question what they posted?
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Folks, don't start getting offended because someone disagrees with you, or questions the points you're making. This thread should be all about separating the facts from the waffle - so that people can be better informed before making their decisions.
 
kramer2006 said:
Your post gave no details about why these women were transferred from MC, only that some of them happened to be expecting twins.

Is the fact that they were twins pertinent to the story at all? Some people might interpret your post as having implied that MC couldn't handle twins. I wished to clarify the point and see if anyone had any first-hand experience of multiple births at MC.
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I didn't review the medical records of the ladies concerned. If I had reviewed their medical records, I wouldn't know what to look for, and I wouldn't have remembered all the details now, 7 years later.

I put all the relevant information that I could recall in my post. There were quite a few MC ladies there, and quite of few of them had twins. My interpretation of this is that twins are generally higher risk and have higher complication rates than single births.

If you wanted to clarify something, you could have tried asking a question, instead of sneering. You certainly didn't ask "if anyone had any first-hand experience of multiple births at MC", so it's not surprising that you didn't get an answer.
 
Complainer said:
I put all the relevant information that I could recall in my post.

If you wanted to clarify something, you could have tried asking a question, instead of sneering.
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I'll be careful how I phrase my next point then, to avoid offending someone of your sensitive disposition (now that was a sneer...):

I'd respectfully suggest that you offered little relevant information in your post. Seemingly, the fact that some of these women were expecting twins was highly irrelevant to the discussion at hand...
 
kramer2006 said:
I'd respectfully suggest that you offered little relevant information in your post. Seemingly, the fact that some of these women were expecting twins was highly irrelevant to the discussion at hand...
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Perhaps you missed this sentance from my earlier post;
My interpretation of this is that twins are generally higher risk and have higher complication rates than single births.
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Complainer said:
Perhaps you missed this sentance from my earlier post;
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No, I didn't miss it. I'm sure twins are a higher risk, but that doesn't explain exactly why those women were transferred. I understand you didn't "review their medical records", I just felt that your statement about twins was a little ambiguous and that...

Some people might interpret your post as having implied that MC couldn't handle twins.
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Perhaps twins are more susceptible to a premature birth, maybe Pinky could confirm?
 
'Term' is considered 37 weeks for twins. Twins are associated with increased risk of complications and early delivery. Also very common is when one is breech. Breech vaginal deliveries are becoming less common and cesareans are frequently performed often as a precaution.
 
Hi there,

I amn't a midwife:) The women could have been in Hollis St for many reasons. If it was a multiple pregnancy, were there fertility reasons? We dont know! The reality is the consultants over theese women felt there could have been problems so the women would have been sent to the public hospital (where the consultant has beds)..

I did do alot of agency in Hollis st. a few years ago (and I have huge regard for the staff there)..
 
pinkyBear said:
If it was a multiple pregnancy, were there fertility reasons? We dont know!
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Surely it doesn't matter a jot at that stage if there were fertiliity issues or not. Complications can arise from natural or assisted pregnancies.

pinkyBear said:
The reality is the consultants over theese women felt there could have been problems so the women would have been sent to the public hospital (where the consultant has beds)..
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No consultant has beds in Holles St. The private ward (Merrion Wing) is available first-come first-served to those who can pay. If there is a bed free and you can pay for it, you get it, regardless of who your consultant is.

From my memory (though I'm open to correction), no consultant operates in both MC and Holles St.
 
Hi Complainer, I'm not a midwife. My suggestion re fertitity reasons were a consultant may have some concerns if it was a multiple pregnancy.

In general consultants do have beds, or are atleast known to the hospital. I agree the Merrion Wing is available on a first come, first service basis. But behind the scenes the doctors will have some sort of arrangement with the hospital.

no consultant operates in both MC and Holles St
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that could very well be the case, in general consultants where necessary do work together and if required a patient could be tranfered over to another hospital.

P..
 
I think the issue if a baby is not well is that they don't have a neonatal unit.
Just had a look at their website and realise I was born in one of the hospital groups hospitals. How posh were my parents. Cost 28 pounds at the time (early 70's). I have the receipt.
 
Large scale specialist maternity hospitals are equiped to deal with just about any medical issue that can arise. If you are in one of these hospitals, you wont be transferred anywhere else.

Smaller private hospitals which are not specialist maternity hospitals simply will not have the equipment and experience to deal with every medical emergency. If you attend one of these hospitals, there is a chance that you'll be transferred to a specialist hospital if there is a problem.

In my opinion, it is usually better to be in the place that is best equiped. With a lot of medical complications, time is a big issue. Transferring takes time and, in some cases, may have added risks associated with moving the patient.
 
csirl said:
In my opinion, it is usually better to be in the place that is best equiped. With a lot of medical complications, time is a big issue. Transferring takes time and, in some cases, may have added risks associated with moving the patient.
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The other possible risk here is that you can end up with Mum in Mt Carmel recovering and Baby in Unit 8 in Holles St. So Mum can't see/touch/hold Baby for a number of days (maybe 5-6 in case of Cesearean birth), and Dad is spending his day dashing between the two hospitals.
 
kramer2006 said:
I'm not sure you're reading the above posts carefully either. I'm very sorry that your family was put through such an ordeal, and I'm very glad he recovered, but what happened to you is a very rare occurrence and will not happen to (probably) 99% of the population.

As PinkyBear has already stated, people are transferred between hospitals all the time, depending on their specialities.

Mount Carmel is equipped to deal with sick babies, it's a hospital for God's sake... It just wasn't equipped to deal with the particular illness your child had. You shouldn't make flip remarks like this.
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I'm going to ignore the "flip remarks" because it doesn't deserve a comment.

One of my best friends also had her baby transferred out of Mount Carmel in a similiar situation so that scuppers the 99% of the population remark. It is a wider occurance that you may realise.

My son developed sepsis - just an infection, nothing tremendously uncommon at all so please don't reference the "particular illness my child had" as something that seemed remote or uncommon. It was an infection and they couldn't handle it.

Also, my consultant worked both with Mount Carmel and Holles St but has since ceased his role with Mount Carmel. I'm not making suggestions about his reasons, I don't know them.
 
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