That's not true, the problem has been that the DPP continued to prosecute people under the lesser charge of statutory rape (which they knew to be flawed) because it was a sure thing as regards prosecution, rather than the more serious charges such as sexual assault, rape etc where they may have to actually prove the charge. There's a lot of scare-mongering about how our children are unprotected at present, but it's simply not true, dutch paedophiles will not be arriving here in busloads if legislation is not in place by the weekend, perhaps it would be better to take the time and prepare adequate legislation that will stand the test of time rather than react to the media scrum and draft something that will be thrown out in years to come.it is not a crime to have sex with a child.
i know the AG doesnt prosecute but he should have informed the government of this in time for them to act, the mr "a" case was known about last year and legal gazettes referred to its potential unconstituitionality,similarly law reform commisions report should have been known about by relevant people.ubiquitous said:Accepted, although it is easy to see why this wasn't done. Quite simply, any unilateral move by the government to lower the age of consent to 15 years for teenage girls would have been unpopular to say the least.
The AG does not have any powers to prosecute anybody.
The DPP's office is specifically above politics and the DPP is not answerable to politicians in terms of having to justify action or inaction in any particular case.
My questions remain:
1. Why on earth did the entire legislation have to fall if a small part of it was found to be unconstitutional?
2. If there is a valid reason for this, why have entire Finance Acts and other laws not similarly fallen by the wayside when elements thereof have been declared unconstitutional?
bearishbull said:.. legal gazettes referred to its potential unconstituitionality..
ubiquitous said:ps, moderators, any chance of a meaningful title for this important discussion??? Thx.
MOB said:..it is not fair to state that prosecutors or the state should have somehow known all along that the legislation was unconstitutional. You can't know such a thing until the legislation is challenged. I suppose you might say that our laws are entitled to a presumption of constitutionality, and those charged with upholding the law are entitled to proceed on that presumption.
ubiquitous said:On the other hand, if an individual is charged with a criminal offence, they are legally entitled to legal representation. There is a difference between the 2 scenarios.
onekeano said:Are you saying that someone actually says "right Jimmy or Seamus - you have to represent this particular piece of dirt"?
I agree with you that it is wrong if solicitors will not take a case against each other but it doesn't not negate the need for a fair trial and in our adversarial system that requires a legal team that will do everything they can to get their client off.onekeano said:UB, they might be entitled to legal representation just like I'm entitled to get a builder to build and extension - it doesn't mean that I can get a builder. My point being that if solicitors can on an individual and collective basis refuse to take a case against a fellow solicitor, why can the same solicitor(s) then feel obliged to represent someone who has pleaded guilty to rape? Are you saying that someone actually says "right Jimmy or Seamus - you have to represent this particular piece of dirt"?
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no they could have changed the law years ago ,some people may still have gotten outta jail though due to the unconstitutionality but maybe less than now will.Purple said:Is it not the case that the government needed to await the exact ruling of the Supreme Court before it introduced any legislation to counter it?
Even if new legislation was in place could existing convictions not be appealed based on the constitutionality of the charge that they were convicted of?
I suspect the government had a fair idea of what exactly the supreme were going to decide earlier in the week.Is it not the case that the government needed to await the exact ruling of the Supreme Court before it introduced any legislation to counter it?
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