The Terror Threat and how the US deals with it

Re: piggy

I seem to remember you being caught out in this board already

It was plainly obvious what I was trying to achieve with Ralph. I didn't try to hide who I was. I was proving a point actually.
If I wanted I could stop using this name. I could just use unregistered names all the time. Much easier. But I choose not to as I'm not afraid to stand over what I say and seeing as I regularly participate in debates in LOS it means that people already know where I'm coming from when I'm making a point.

Perhaps you'd care to answer my question as to who I'm apologising for?

I do believe that the western goverments do see the threat.
Actually, the whole world sees the threat. I can see the threat too from fundamentalists. The difference is, most reasonable people are able to differentiate between Muslims and terrorists. You seemingly can't. I've provided you with numerous links to back that up but you refuse to even acknowledge them.
 
enough said

piggy or ralph or napoleon or ..............................

its finny ascribing to others your own trangressions .

We have beaten this to death, so you have been outed and put on the ropes.

Maybe you'll pick a winner somesday BUT NOT TODAY RALPH

:rollin
 
Re: enough said

so you have been outed and put on the ropes

Eh...if you read through the posts on this board you'll see where I actually admitted it myself! I made no secret of the fact. As I said...I was proving a point. It was the only name I used in that particular post so I don't really see your point!!
Then again, if I were to follow your previous logic perhaps it's only meant to hide your lack of reasonable argument.

You've yet again managed to dodge my previous question. Who am I apologising for?

Maybe you'll pick a winner somesday BUT NOT TODAY RALPH
Why do I get the feeling I'm arguing with someone in their early teens! Are you capable of holding an adult conversation at all?
 
Re: enough said

Why do I get the feeling I'm arguing with someone in their early teens?
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Because they're sub-literate and don't know a*se? (just a wild guess...)
 
Appeal for a mercy killing

Some Moderatpr please do the needful to this thread. But before you do, please note that I have categorically not posted in this thread under any name other than YD. Why does piggy always resort to this accusation of multiple identities amongst his debating opponents?

I am deeply shocked that he himself is guilty of such subterfuge, for much as I pity his naivete, his arguments suggested a basic innocent decency. I was obviously duped, ok naivete is not a monoploy of piggy's.
 
dr m

"Alternatively, you could always try a few decades of the Rosary...? "
A sample of Dr M's wit

But I will not slag or insult ala Drm and ralph(oops)

Its enough that they have to resort to it AGAIN

:rollin
 
Re: Appeal for a mercy killing

please note that I have categorically not posted in this thread under any name other than YD

Did I say it was you? Did I say there was multiple aliases being used. No...I didn't. Yet again, you've misunderstood the point I was making.

I am deeply shocked that he himself is guilty of such subterfuge
What subterfuge would that be then?

his arguments suggested a basic innocent decency
YD, if you want wat as your bedfellow then that's your choice. Logical debate is difficult when you resort to this to be honest. If you want to believe that all Muslims are inherently evil then that's your business. However, I'm pretty confident that none of my arguments are either naive or innocent.

However, if you want to paste in what specific points I made you believe to be either innocent or naive I'll gladly clarify them for you.
 
now you are putting words in my mouth Ralph

The moslem I know (and I know quite a few) are all invariably nice.

But they are few and in a different country.

When they start getting any sort of numbers, the mullahs come in from abroad (up till recently in the UK, they could come in without restrictions (men of God, y'know) and suddenly they want Islamic law and refuse to assimilate.

England has bent over backwards to accommodate them and still its not enough.
Born, reared and fed and schooled in England they will then go over to Afganistan to support the Talibal and kill English soldiers that probably lived on the same road.

Do you NOT see any danger in this???????????????
 
Re: now you are putting words in my mouth Ralph

England has bent over backwards to accommodate them and still its not enough.
Born, reared and fed and schooled in England they will then go over to Afganistan to support the Talibal and kill English soldiers that probably lived on the same road.

Do you NOT see any danger in this???????????????

I see. In relation to the population of Muslims living in GB can you provide figures for those who went to support the Taliban?
I fear you're using tiny minorities to support your theory.
 
can you

Can you provide numbers for those that do NOT support islamic fundamentalism?

We need to close this thread before we get dizzy from going around in circles.

wam
 
Re.can you

Can you provide numbers for those that do NOT support islamic fundamentalism?
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Ah, c'mon wam, you are better than that. I've seen some interesting and well constructed posts from you, that's school yard stuff.

You are asking for figures for those who do not hold a particular opinion. It's subjective enough trying to show the proportion of people who do hold an opinion, but how can you show the proportion that doesn't ?!?
I (and Piggy) have asked for figures to show how many Muslims were captured fighting for Bin Ladin from Britain and the US and to compare those figures in to the numbers in the armed forces of those countries. That can be established in fact, not in subjectivity.
 
Muslims

Piggy you've been caught out once in your Ralph persona. If you can do it once you can do it a dozen times.
Why would you do it? Not because you aren't afraid to stand over your comments as you suggested (Red Herring) but rather to 'bolster your support' on the thread with an army of fictitious followers.
Shame shame shame, naughty piggy!


From the Guardian:

"Student leaders warned this week that several campuses are being targeted by the Al-Muhajiroun, which aims to create an Islam state in the UK, at this year's freshers' fairs. The group also attracts many A-level students, often as young as 16, who can be sent to military training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Al-Muhajiroun's leader, Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, has praised the terrorist attacks against the twin towers of the World Trade Centre in New York and the Pentagon in Washington. Other leading figures have claimed that around 1,800 British Muslims take part in "military service" each year, recruited at mosques and university campuses across the country."
 
Re: Muslims

Why would you do it? Not because you aren't afraid to stand over your comments as you suggested (Red Herring) but rather to 'bolster your support' on the thread with an army of fictitious followers.
Shame shame shame, naughty piggy!

Eh...actually, I did it because there was some loser on this messageboard who seems to have it in for me, so in one particular post I used an unregistered username...and as I've already stated, I made no secret of who I was. That was the whole point - to be recognised. If this is your idea of a smear campaign it's a poor one.

I don't really think I need an army of fictitious followers to back up my stance on issues like 'The War in Iraq' (seeing as half the country is with me on that one) or this 'Are all Muslims terrorists' crap, because I doubt there are that many Islamophobes out there.
 
piggy on the ropes again

According to Bassam Tibi, one of the world’s foremost specialists on Islamic fundamentalism, “The goal of Islamic fundamentalists is to abolish the Western, secular world order and replace it with a new Islamist divine order. . . . The goal of Islamists is a new imperial, absolutist Islamic world power.”

This is what its all about. Forget about the friendly moslem neighbours and work colleagues ( I know many who have different levels of adherence to Islam and even the real religious ones are nice people) but give the right circumstances (example a fatwa from an ILLITERATE mullah in Iran OR omewhere else) they would go out and shoot you and your family (will of Allah).

Its the blind obedience that is the problem (which really belongs to a few centuries ago) and their willingness to die.
 
piggy on the canvas

to balance things:
The specter of radical Islamists dominating the secular world is frightening, especially in light of recent terrorist attacks, but it is important to remember that most Muslims are not radical and that most espouse a modernist interpretation of the Koran and Islamic traditions. Islamic extremists represent a small faction of Muslims who, although influential, are probably not powerful enough to overthrow world superpowers. The majority of Muslims, especially those who live in the United States, are moderate, and they accept and value secular societies. These Muslims represent a compromise between Western and Islamic customs that celebrates cultural identity and tolerance.

and the link :
[broken link removed]

"are probably not powerful enough to overthrow world superpowers"

For the moment !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wam
 
Re: piggy on the canvas

The title alone shows your level of maturity and just proves that you view a debate as something which you need to win. It becomes clear that no matter what evidence or argument you're presented with you'll never be able to say...yes, you're right. Or...good point.

I fully agree that Islamic fundamentalism is a threat to the world. However, I do believe that it's been overstated due to the war on terror. That suits some people. I can think of only two countries in the last 20 years that have brought the world close to complete annihilation. Both were superpowers.

You'll have to forgive me if I'm not altogether convinced of your sincerity when you talk about "friendly moslem neighbours"...mainly because of some of the things you've said in previous posts about not trusting them! I still don't think you understand the situation and tend to think that you believe what you want to believe.

Asking me to provide evidence that Muslims are not running off to Afghanistan to join Al Queda is just farcical. Eh...em...does this mean I win now. Will there be a medal ceremony or something?
 
Statistics

We are told that 20% of the world's population is Muslim
What percentage of world GNP is Muslim? - Guess 2%.
What percentage of Olympic medals will be one by Muslims? Guess 0%.
What percentage of World Aid is divied out by Muslims? Guess 1%.
What percentage of violent conflict is Muslim (India/Pakistan, Indonesia, Sudan, Palestine etc.)? Guess 90%.
What percentage of suicide terrorists are Muslim? Certainty 100%.

We do muslims no favours at all by patronisingly pretending that their culture is to be respected. Good old fashioned attempts at conversion to rational secular ways would seem to be the more honourable and honest approach.
 
on the canvas - is he afraid to get up?

Piggy,
"canvas" is an attempt to inject a little humour and describes your position (picture paints a 1000 words,..)
You have lost the plot, the debate and I think your mind.

Islamic fundamentalism is a world threat and we continue to clasp the vipers to our bosom.

You have not addressed my last post in a coherent manner.

:rollin
 
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