Duke of Marmalade
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Fair question. My sense is that there is not much positive per se. These are the necessary rules for the proper working of the enlarged club. If you join a club you are asked to sign up to the rules. The rules themselves will be a rather negative document but you gladly sign up to them for the benefits that flow from the club.What are the positives?
We are simply fooling and indulging ourselves if we think we have the option of saying No.
....................."No" would be a disaster.
Of course the government could guarantee a yes result if they rolled out the electronic voting machines.....
My question is, Why would NO be a disaster? without a reason, I would consider this scaremongering.
I would like to point out, that I am pro Europe & have never voted SF, i just don't like being told to vote YES......"because, well, we (bertie, Enda & the rest) said so & you should trust us"
I agree with this. I believe that there is 'harm' in voting yes, but yes men (and ladies) should do it for informed reasons other than 'the politicians want us to vote yes'.No harm in people voting no, but do it for informed reasons other than 'the politicians want us to vote yes'.
Absolutely agree. Unfortunately Dev's Bunreacht seems to require it. Nobody else in Europe has this dubious right and nobody seems to be complaining too much.Then the referendum is a sham and a waste of money and should be outed as such.
Time to scrap Dev's Bunreacht and modernise for the 21st century rather than his blinkered views from the 1930's where the church ran every facet of Irish life?Absolutely agree. Unfortunately Dev's Bunreacht seems to require it. Nobody else in Europe has this dubious right and nobody seems to be complaining too much.
No harm in people voting no, but do it for informed reasons other than 'the politicians want us to vote yes'.
Absolutely agree. Unfortunately Dev's Bunreacht seems to require it. Nobody else in Europe has this dubious right and nobody seems to be complaining too much.
Methinks you are too quick to dismiss the Irish Constitution. You will probably get your wish anyway as if there's a yes to Lisbon the Irish Constitution will be effectively obsolete.Time to scrap Dev's Bunreacht and modernise for the 21st century rather than his blinkered views from the 1930's where the church ran every facet of Irish life?
I think you're being a bit selective with that one there colinRecently in Zimbabwe, There was an election. The president didn't like the outcome so he ordered a recount.
RING ANY BELLS????
My question is, Why would NO be a disaster? without a reason, I would consider this scaremongering.
Recently in Zimbabwe, There was an election. The president didn't like the outcome so he ordered a recount.
Time to scrap Dev's Bunreacht and modernise for the 21st century rather than his blinkered views from the 1930's where the church ran every facet of Irish life?
A salient point.. . it doesn't say much for our 'neighbours' and the EU as a whole if us exercising our democratic right in voting no was to result in us being ostracised, by-passed, ignored, made suffer etc - hardly what the founders had in mind...
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