Correct - it also gets rid of a problem where PMVT repeatedly complained that council provided services were substandard - so councils, via the mechanisms of the homeless executive, largely offload the job of provisioning and running such services to PMVT and Focus. They can't criticise what they themselves are delivering.I suspect that the charity sector, despite its inefficiencies, might be more efficient that directly provided service.
Brendan
Perhaps it would be useful for commenters to have a read of their financial reports:Is €116m such a huge amount in the greater scheme of things? Such a sum might build only a few hundred homes and many of these charities do provide some housing and also deal with cases outside the norm such as people with other issues (addictions, psychiatric problems etc.) who are unlikely to be moving into a regular townhouse or suburban home and managing to be a good/stable neighbour any time soon?
Page 29 > section 7.2 Charitable Activities > Staff Costs > ~EUR33Million.Latest for PMVT is here
Average headcount during the year was 766. (Page 31>Section 12).
Sure enough further down on page 31: Wages & Salaries EUR30.5 Million.
Really does sound high to me (without understanding how businesses/charities run or what proportion of turnover typically goes to Comp & Benefits).
Average headcount during the year was 766. (Page 31>Section 12).
Is that full time equivalent or total headcount? I would guess that a considerable number of people employed by these charities work part time.Average headcount during the year was 766. (Page 31>Section 12).
Sure enough further down on page 31: Wages & Salaries EUR30.5 Million.
Fair enough on all points wouldn't dispute any of it.Again, I would guess that if these services were provided by the Councils, the headcount would be about double that.
They have a lot of properties. These need to be managed. They have a lot of clients who have high needs.
Brendan
They write elsewhere in the report about Whole Time Equivalents but I don't have the time just now to go back & review.Is that full time equivalent or total headcount? I would guess that a considerable number of people employed by these charities work part time.
The wages and salaries costs should include employers prsi of 10.5% so average salary less than €36kThat's an average salary of less than 40k. The overall level may be high (I don't know?), but the average doesn't seem to be. I'd imagine the cost to income ratios in charities must be pretty varied given the absence of profit as a driver.
It doesn't. Social insurance costs are listed separately on the following line. Note 12 Staff costs on page 41.The wages and salaries costs should include employers prsi of 10.5% so average salary less than €36k
The Charity has a total of 12 senior management staff whose total employee benfits (excluding employer pension costs) for the
reporting year exceeds €60,000 and a table has been prepared to accompany the report as required under DPE 022/05/2016
Circular: 131/2014.
From page 5, they have 530 Whole Time Equivalents plus a panel of relief staff who "have mixed availability to work on the front line" (I didn't know that they were sending people to Ukraine). I don't know if their relief staff are counted in the Wages and Salaries pot so it's hard to say what the average pay is but it's a lot more than €40k. I've no problem with that but I do have a problem with poor-mouthing. They have net assets of over €50 million and a large and relatively well paid staff. Fair play to them. I don't support them but others are perfectly entitled to do so.The wages and salaries costs should include employers prsi of 10.5% so average salary less than €36k
They have quite a few social workers on the books, so they have to pay them and any other roles equivalent to HSE staff HSE adjacent rates.Page 29 > section 7.2 Charitable Activities > Staff Costs > ~EUR33Million.
Got to be wrong, right?
Or I'm missing/misunderstanding something.
Average headcount during the year was 766. (Page 31>Section 12).
Sure enough further down on page 31: Wages & Salaries EUR30.5 Million.
Really does sound high to me (without understanding how businesses/charities run or what proportion of turnover typically goes to Comp & Benefits).
You do support them as they are getting tax payers money.From page 5, they have 530 Whole Time Equivalents plus a panel of relief staff who "have mixed availability to work on the front line" (I didn't know that they were sending people to Ukraine). I don't know if their relief staff are counted in the Wages and Salaries pot so it's hard to say what the average pay is but it's a lot more than €40k. I've no problem with that but I do have a problem with poor-mouthing. They have net assets of over €50 million and a large and relatively well paid staff. Fair play to them. I don't support them but others are perfectly entitled to do so.
Are all 'staff' paid directly by the charity. Or are social workers billed back to the HSE directlyThey have quite a few social workers on the books, so they have to pay them and any other roles equivalent to HSE staff HSE adjacent rates.
Oh I know! Them and Focus Ireland and other political advocacy groups masquerading as charities.You do support them as they are getting tax payers money.
There's a question! I imagine they are probably being "paid for" via the "service" rather than directly? That's a good question to get a TD to ask the relevant ministers in the Dail ;-)Are all 'staff' paid directly by the charity. Or are social workers billed back to the HSE directly
No real details in the article. Are they being hit by the increase in mortgage interest rates, the same as any other property investment company?Seems relevant to this thread... cashflow issues at one of the largest housing support NGOs
Peter McVerry Trust informs Department of Housing of 'potential financial issues' at charity
The issue was first reported by the Business Post this evening.www.thejournal.ie
Well whoopsies. Their borrowings are mainly via the housing agency, right? Though they might have some commercial loans also?No real details in the article. Are they being hit by the increase in mortgage interest rates, the same as any other property investment company?
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