The Government has Just €800m to Play With

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€200 million , in my opinion , should be used to reverse the two tier pay anomaly in the Public Sector.
In terms of social welfare payment increases I would prioritise increasing payments to those under 26 who currently receive reduced Jobseeker’s Allowance
 
It’s ridiculous to talk about the “40% tax break” or “the tax-free lump sum” in isolation. Take someone with decent income; he/she doesn’t get relief from US0C or PRSI on the way in. Circa €360,000 of tax relief might be given on the way to building the maximum pension pot of €2m. What happens then? €60,000 of tax on the lump sum. Penalty tax at 40% on anything over €2m. Circa €30,000 of income tax and levies a year, probably for circa 30 years, so another €900,000. And then €450,000 of tax when the ARF is inherited.

The State “invests” €360,000 and, without having to take on any risk or any stress, should be expect to earn circa €1.5m or more thereafter. The State should be wrapping these people in cotton wool and sending them Christmas cards.
Or a tax Bill
I got a tax free lump sum of 200000 myself and I took more at 20% ,
I did say I was expecting an cynical reply, I don't expect to be getting a Christmas card But with the way things are shaping up unless you are in a position to move out of this Countary along with your pension pot sooner or later the present Government indirectly will be raiding yours when they run out of options,
 
In terms of social welfare payment increases I would prioritise increasing payments to those under 26 who currently receive reduced Jobseeker’s Allowance
We are approaching full employment in this country. Is there are real reason that those under 26 should be on Jobseeker's Allowance? Those under 26 need to make a real and conscious effort to gain a marketable skill and not become a burden on the state for the next 40 plus years.
 
I intend to shift mine and avoid the whole lot, so that’s something of a moot point.
I was expecting you would get out before people find out who the real loony left are,:)

I never doubted you know where this is all going to end,
I am heading off Hiking in the Alps to day for the whole week I will not be looking up this untill i come back,
 
I was expecting you would get out before people find out who the real loony left are,:)

I never doubted you know where this is all going to end,
I am heading off Hiking in the Alps to day for the whole week I will not be looking up this untill i come back,

Enjoy, that should be fantastic.
 
My proposals

Plan to run a budget surplus

Cut main rate of VAT from 23 to 20
Merge 9% and 13.5% VAT rates to 10%
Move many foods and drinks that contain high levels of sugar salt or fat from 0% to 10% or 20% VAT
Overall, collect more VAT, but with lower rates

Abolish several tax reliefs, starting with the three income tax reliefs that over 65s get

Merge PRSI and USC, making sure that the new PRSI has a broad base
Abolish the PRSI exemption
Re-introduce the PRSI allowance, say 100 pw, so everybody pays after 100 pw
Overall, collect more PRSI.

No increase to SA rates, just increases to SI welfare rates

Give councils total autonomy over LPT rates

Introduce congestion charges in cities
Reduce VRT
 
I've vote for that Protocol.
I'd also like to see more of a broadening of the tax base with a general trend towards taxing wealth retention (capital/assets) rather than wealth creation (work).
 
Congestion charges are fair enough in cities with excellent public transport...they wouldn’t be in Ireland.
 
I'd also like to see more of a broadening of the tax base with a general trend towards taxing wealth retention (capital/assets) rather than wealth creation (work)
Is this in direct contradiction to the proposed SSIA2 type scheme?

To be fair, I would support an ISA type product to encourage people have a reasonable 'rainy day' fund. I am not talking support for millions here, but allow say up to 750-1k a month for an adult or potentially 250/month for minors (tax free way to grow savings for college etc). I don't see this so much as wealth retention but more basic financial planning at a household level
 
Congestion charges are fair enough in cities with excellent public transport...they wouldn’t be in Ireland.
It could work in Dublin, around the D1/D2 areas with sufficient (& cheap) park and ride facilities, and 10 minute DART's, frequent Luas and more express bus options.

Every morning on the N11, you see two of both 46a/145 buses coming together, and each proceed to stop at every stop on the way in. It could be easy to convert one to an express version so only stop every 3rd stop, as well as alight stop for anyone already on the bus.

It would not work outside the D1/D2 area as radial transport is terrible and you need a car if you live in the suburbs and needs to get to say Citywest in the morning. Going into town to get a bus to Citywest would take ~2 hours each way.
 
I'd also like to see more of a broadening of the tax base with a general trend towards taxing wealth retention (capital/assets) rather than wealth creation (work).
This isn't broadening the tax base. Its merely screwing the same people only in a different way.

The Irish conventional wisdom is that there's something dirty and wrong about private wealth retention.

This is very unfortunate that it's our lack of real wealth (as opposed to the paper value of our housing) that leaves our us in deep and prolonged recession every time we suffer the sort of economic shock from which other countries routinely bounce back.
 
It could work in Dublin, around the D1/D2 areas with sufficient (& cheap) park and ride facilities, and 10 minute DART's, frequent Luas and more express bus options.

Every morning on the N11, you see two of both 46a/145 buses coming together, and each proceed to stop at every stop on the way in. It could be easy to convert one to an express version so only stop every 3rd stop, as well as alight stop for anyone already on the bus.

It would not work outside the D1/D2 area as radial transport is terrible and you need a car if you live in the suburbs and needs to get to say Citywest in the morning. Going into town to get a bus to Citywest would take ~2 hours each way.

www.busconnects.ie will address a lot of that, especially the orbital services, and the spine routes of which the N11 will be one should have less bunching.
I'm not sure geography is your strong point but having park and rides in D1/D2 would be pointless, you want park and rides much further out and that is also planned for in bus connects.
 
I've vote for that Protocol.
I'd also like to see more of a broadening of the tax base with a general trend towards taxing wealth retention (capital/assets) rather than wealth creation (work).
Glad tommy pointed out the madness you were going to vote for
On another post on a different subject Tommy pointed out the corperate graveyard is full of
I've vote for that Protocol.
I'd also like to see more of a broadening of the tax base with a general trend towards taxing wealth retention (capital/assets) rather than wealth creation (work).
We are already voting for that
As tommy pointed out on another askaboutmoney forum
The Corporate graveyard is full of profitable business who ran out of Cash
If I understand You correctly what you are suggesting looks like you are trying to keep a business going on Contribution Business and when you run out of cash which you will you plan is to raid private wealth look like something which is already happening,

If you look at the landlord problem at present you will see the biggest problem is the are expected to presently pay the contributary pensions of already retired self employed and at that it only covers 23% of what it takes,
In a few Hours I will be in Austria The self employed over there Pay 26.5 % before income tax,
 
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This isn't broadening the tax base. Its merely screwing the same people only in a different way.

The Irish conventional wisdom is that there's something dirty and wrong about private wealth retention.
I phrased that badly. I meant to say a broadening of the tax base and a general trend towards taxing wealth retention instead of wealth creation. The last thing we should be taxing is labour; it is what creates wealth. Everything else just moves wealth around. I'd also like to see less overall taxation and smaller government; get rid of everything that amounts to taking money out of one pocket and putting it back into the other, less the State's admin charge. In effect it is bribing people with their own money. Don't give it so someone else instead, just don't take it in the first place.
 
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On the Corporation Tax (CT) side of the house, the PAC carried out an examination of CT receipts. This followed a C&AG review of factors contributing to the volatile and highly concentrated nature of CT receipts at a sectoral & national level in recent years.

Some details of the findings:

70% of CT profits are generated by just 3 sectors:
  • financial & insurance,
  • manufacturing (including pharmaceuticals) and
  • information & communications.
Of the 2017 top 100 companies:
  • 51 were US companies & paid €4.25bn in CT,
  • less than 10 were UK companies & paid €128m,
  • just over 10 were Irish companies & paid €370m,
  • other countries in the top 100 accounted for a further €1.11bn.
In 2015, the average CT effective rate applying to all companies was 9.8%

The effective rate of CT by the top 100 taxpayers ranked by taxable income in 2015 was:

Effective rate

0% - 8 companies
0% - 1% - 5 companies
1% - 5% - 1 company
5% - 10%- 7 companies
10% - 12% - 14 companies
12% or more - 65 companies

The effective rate of less than 1% by 13 of the top 100 above reflected the use of significant tax credits and reliefs, in particular double taxation relief and research and development tax credits.

In the 5-year period to 2015 the annual cost of the R&D tax credit increased by 171% while the number of claimants increased by 46%.

The cost to the exchequer of the R&D credit increased from €261m in 2011 to a provisional €674m in 2016.

The Committee noted that reliefs such as R&D are not available to many indigenous companies, simply by virtue of the nature of their trade (retail, warehousing etc) and their small scale.

The committee also looked at the indefinite carry forward of losses. Updated provisional information provided by Revenue for 2016 showed the total losses carried forward to be €213.6 billion.

In its consideration of the tax arrangements for REIT’s the Committee noted a recent trend where an increasing proportion of Irish property assets are owned by non-residents. The Committee heard that there was concern that structures were available, to some property developers and those buying distressed loans, which could put the State at risk that the tax rights to property was leaking out of its tax base.
 
I really don’t get the idea of “taxing wealth retention”.

I make €100. The State takes €52 of it.

I’m left with €48. If I buy something, the State takes VAT, which could be €9.

If I invest my €48, the State will take 33%, 41%, or 52% of my upside.

And if I pop my clogs, the State will nab another €16 of my €48.

And people think we should “start” taxing wealth retention?
 
It's an absolute scandal that we're still running budget deficits. We've learned very little it seems and here was me thinking that FG were the party of "fiscal rectitude".

In fairness it is Fianna Fail who are calling for tax cuts.
 
I really don’t get the idea of “taxing wealth retention”.

I make €100. The State takes €52 of it.

I’m left with €48. If I buy something, the State takes VAT, which could be €9.

If I invest my €48, the State will take 33%, 41%, or 52% of my upside.

And if I pop my clogs, the State will nab another €16 of my €48.

And people think we should “start” taxing wealth retention?

What part of move from taxing labour to taxing wealth is hard?
I'm talking about reducing that 52% marginal rate you pay but taxing retained wealth more to compensate. Encourage the money to move around within the economy, encourage people to work harder and keep more of what they earn.
 
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