The Cloyne Report & the Vatican.

Simple oldnick - see the post from RMCF re school entry for children. I would imagine this is the only reason for remaining in the church for an awful lot of people.
 
oldnick said:
To the Roman catholics amongst you....

-why don't you join the Reformation now and become a Protestant like me ? Although no soup is provided there's always a nice social atmosphere after every service -tea and coffee.
No more expensive first communion crap, no prohibition of contraception, no more idol worshipping and rosary fiddling or whatever you guys do in church, no visions or miracles, No more Papal infallibility, and no more having to believe that at holy Communion you are literally eating the flesh of Christ -and above all no dodgy priests. Ours get married for goodness sake !

If you are still into lots of ceremony and fancy dressed priests - join the C of I . You may be put off by the sight of women clergy but much of ceremony is similar to yours and the priests wear pretty coloured outfits.

If you don't want the fancy paraphanelia of RC and even C of I -then become a Methodist .Much more basic - and none of the hierachy that C of I, like R.C., has. Just simple ministers.

Belief in God is somewhat optional for C of I attendees. i've been an athiest all my life but always found Cof I a nice place to socialise. I regard myself as a Protestant athiest with no qualms until such time as the Humanists have lots of social centres and singing. Nice sing-songs as well.

Methodists a bit more dour- push the God thing a bit more and dont seem to have as many hymns during the services.

Even more strict and full of the God are Baptists and Presbyterians -but if you feel like a weekly equivalent of Croac Patrick then they'll do you fine. Much more talk about sin and redemption. (Don't bother with Congregationalists -too few churches to bother about).

There such a wide choice of Proddy churches -including tiny ones like Quakers (wonderful sect -full of really nice goody-goody people) that i wonder why anyone still calls themselves Roman catholic.

..and we haven't got on to the other Christian denominations - Greek Orthodox for example. Nice little church at Arbor Hill. lovely liturgy that goes on for ever but no audience particpation. And no decent seats.

P.S. Let's not forget Sikhs, Hindus, Moslems,Buddists and Jews.

So, WHY, if you still believe in God -or not - do any of you call yoursleves Roman catholics.?
There a whole wide world out there of alternative mumbo-jumbo and from what I know in my years of studying religion there's far less child buggery amongst the clergy of those religions than there is in the Holy Roman Catholic Faith.
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Post of the year for me. The bit in bold made me laugh too!
 
Ceist Beag said:
Simple oldnick - see the post from RMCF re school entry for children. I would imagine this is the only reason for remaining in the church for an awful lot of people.
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Thats probably the only reason I remain one tbh.

I would say that 95% of people my age that I know personally do not attend church, except for weddings, funerals, baptisms etc. Not weekly.

And could you blame them?

I still technically am an RC, but in name only. I have lost nearly all respect for the organisation and their hypocrisy. And I would bet that it has for most of the younger generation. Its only my parents generation that are still keeping it afloat imho. Once they are gone, the CC is gonna face their day of reckoning around here. OK so they might branch out in the likes of Africa but they have really burnt their bridges in this country, and their downfall cannot come soon enough.
 
On the other hand why should anyone give up their reiligion just because of the people in charge. The church comprises everyone not just those with the funny outfits.

If I was strong catholic I'd be well piddled off with people who are dragging its name down but your faith is your faith. It need not be affected by the actions of others.
 
Great post Old Nick, really funny and well written. It made me laugh as well.
I’m half way to being a Protestant Atheist; I’m an atheist :D
If I did believe in God (the Christian one) then I’d be a protestant (some soup, if it was going, would be a bonus).
 
Yeah, but if you get you information from the Simpsons (and I do), Catholic heaven is more fun than Protestant heaven.
Remember the episode when Homer was swaying towards catholic and he was shown the two different heavens. The protestants were on their cloud playing croquet whereas the catholics were drinking, fighting and then all joined together to form a large riverdance routine.
 
Shawady said:
Yeah, but if you get you information from the Simpsons (and I do), Catholic heaven is more fun than Protestant heaven.
Remember the episode when Homer was swaying towards catholic and he was shown the two different heavens. The protestants were on their cloud playing croquet whereas the catholics were drinking, fighting and then all joined together to form a large riverdance routine.
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Yea, good point (and yes; that's my main source of information as well).
 
Ian O'Doherty and Complainer agreeing on something!
I don't know which one of them would be more upset :D
 
Purple said:
I’m half way to being a Protestant Atheist; I’m an atheist :D
If I did believe in God (the Christian one) then I’d be a protestant (some soup, if it was going, would be a bonus).
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Disconcertingly, I find myself entirely in synch with Purple on this, and yet I suspect my arm would have to rot off my arm before I could place a 'X' next to the name of a Fianna Fáil candidate.

Where does that leave me? :confused:
 
oldnick, what was it they used to say about de Anglicans, RC's without a Pope or somethinglike that . Have to say the smells, bells and lovely music of a latin mass are hard to beat., if, like me you like all that. But I just switch off for the sermons etc. I did attend a Baptist Christmas service once, it was lovely. And in winter I often go to St Pat's for a nice Sunday Evensong.

I must say tho that the RC Church should really be considered it's members and not the ruling elites. I have no particular gripe with most RC churchgoers. They are believers like anyone else. All they, and all the Churches, mosques etc need to keep in mind is that religion is a private matter. There should be a clear delinieation between it and society. I don't think any religion should run schools, that's the states job.
 
Purple said:
Great post Old Nick, really funny and well written. It made me laugh as well.
I’m half way to being a Protestant Atheist; I’m an atheist :D
If I did believe in God (the Christian one) then I’d be a protestant (some soup, if it was going, would be a bonus).
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Didn't they call catholics who coverted during the famine "Soupers"? Bet it wasn't that freeze-dried muck ye get these days :p
 
horusd said:
Didn't they call catholics who coverted during the famine "Soupers"? Bet it wasn't that freeze-dried muck ye get these days :p
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It goes back to the salvation army giving soup to people who converted AFAIK
 
How come these Bishops are still allowed to be patrons of schools? If it were any other organisation, there is no way it would be allowed.
 
oldnick said:
...probably because bishops have had a lot of experience with little children.
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Harsh! I am not religious at all but I do have sympathy for all the genuine catholic priests and bishops. Just like I sympathy for genuine teachers of Islam when they all get called terrorists! I remember when my dad died the comfort that my mam got from her faith. I was jealous that she had it. She is now a huge critic of the church. That to me is the biggest shame of all this. Not only have victims been treated like crap but ordinary Catholics have had their faith destroyed.
 
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