That makes my blood boil actually. You want them to be slaves do you. Tend to your kids and elderly parents 40 hours a week and get nothing for it? Are you for real?
It makes my blood boil, many groups have a right to protest about pay cuts, about potential job losses, about bad contracts, about recession effects BUT people who have not even achieved their degree yet protest about not being paid. I don't know any other group that gets paid to achieve a degree - it's called internship (which stretches to after achieving a degree in many careers) or work experience or free unpaid fieldwork to ensure you are capable of the bookwork, and practical work you have studied for.
It dilutes the protests that are important and necessary. Get your qualification and then give out about pay conditions. We all have to do it.
Plenty of other examples of students/apprentices getting paid, accountants are one group that spring to mind
Delboy, you have summed it up really well;" its what the unions wanted"..along with 12 hour shifts..
when i had my business degree completed
.....................made no since to me at the time but it's what the unions wanted
Doctors train/get experience/gain contacts for many years post-initial college education so this is not necessarily an internship situation - and I think is unlikely to be. It's much more likely to be to gain experience with a particular specialist in a field that the new(ish) doctor is specialising in him/herself. There's not so much difference between one internship (which for doctors is only the first year post-college) and the next that would make it worth being unpaid. Anyhoo, doctors typically work on 6-24 month contracts until they become consultants so could easily work (and be very well paid) for 12 months (or 5 years) and then work with a reknowed specialist for 6 months for free (if that's what the deal was) and not have to tap mummy and daddy for living expenses at the age of 30...
I will start by saying I know lots of doctors and have never heard of anyone offering to or actually working for free. However, the upside of some training/experience could be huge so I could understand someone doing it - it might be working for free for a year but it would pay off 10 times over throughout a future career. Imagine a doctor who wants to be an IVF specialist being given an opportunity to work with IVF pioneer Robert Winston (not sure if he works anymore but you get the idea) - but it's on a research project with a tight budget - they're happy to have an extra doctor working but can't afford to pay him and could manage without if necessary. The CV enhancement would be huge - it could add 100s of thousands to future career earnings. Exploitation?But why should anyone work unpaid? This is pure exploitation.
The scenario of the pioneer not being able to pay the extra doctor is not credible to me. Every employer/researcher could do with extra staff. That doesn't mean that working for free is a good idea.Imagine a doctor who wants to be an IVF specialist being given an opportunity to work with IVF pioneer Robert Winston (not sure if he works anymore but you get the idea) - but it's on a research project with a tight budget - they're happy to have an extra doctor working but can't afford to pay him and could manage without if necessary.
I will start by saying I know lots of doctors and have never heard of anyone offering to or actually working for free. However, the upside of some training/experience could be huge so I could understand someone doing it - it might be working for free for a year but it would pay off 10 times over throughout a future career. Imagine a doctor who wants to be an IVF specialist being given an opportunity to work with IVF pioneer Robert Winston (not sure if he works anymore but you get the idea) - but it's on a research project with a tight budget - they're happy to have an extra doctor working but can't afford to pay him and could manage without if necessary. The CV enhancement would be huge - it could add 100s of thousands to future career earnings. Exploitation?
The scenario of the pioneer not being able to pay the extra doctor is not credible to me. Every employer/researcher could do with extra staff. That doesn't mean that working for free is a good idea.
Easier said than done! In terms of careers that are international, not doing internships, and managing your CV is not an option.If people stop working for free, employers will need to take a different approach.
It is a 'catch-22' situation. As long as people are willing to work for free, there will be employers ready to exploit it. This naturally favours those with more resources.
If people stop working for free, employers will need to take a different approach.
Can anyone answer this question?
Do "student" Nurses work independently during this fourth year of "Training"?
What I am trying to establish is, Is there is a fully "qualified " nurse rostered for say and 8 to 8 shift,,is she then replaced by "trainee" nurse ?
Or does the "fully qualified" nurse,have to remain with the "trainee?
Reason I want to know is ,if the "Trainee" must be Shadowed by a "qualified "nurse are we are paying both of them a wage?
This is the old FF trick of being the Government and the opposition at the same time. Don't fall for their games.I'm glad to see that the government are looking at this issue again and are now looking at some level of remuneration for their internship.
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