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Anyone else disagree that corrupt politicians should be honoured in this way?
That would be a waste seeing that he'll probably rise again a couple of days later.Purple said:Bono?
You're on form ClubManClubMan said:That would be a waste seeing that he'll probably rise again a couple of days later.
Probably not. Wasn't it FF party funds, personal donations from wealthy benefactors and Brian Lenihan's liver transplant fund rather than state money that was spent on such luxuries? Basically money that was never going to do the average punter much good anyway.ZEGAR said:would this situation have been any better if Charles had not been wearing his £1000 shirts ??? probably not .....
I've no problem with him getting a state funeral, but it's my supposition that this country is not a better country for Charlie ever having been here. Himself and a generation of politcians like him created a new establishment in this country. They got power from the British and proceeded to make themselves rich at the expense of the country, whilst we may say that the IFSC and subsequent Celtic Tiger were Charlie's legacies (something many don't believe anyway - but his supporters frequently pedal this as fact), Haughey and other polticians before and after him have to take responsibility for leeching this country of it's resources and people for their own benefit and thus creating the conditions whereby the Celtic Tiger was needed to bring this country up to average european standards of living (albeit without an infrastructure).bb12 said:I believe that he deserves a state funeral. He was a visionary and did so much for this country. Yes, I know there's a downside associated with him, but at the end of the day I believe Ireland is a better country now than it would have been without Charlie ever having been here.
I think I have stated my political allegiance on more than one occation.ClubMan said:Am I mistaken in assuming that you have a particular political allegiance that might be worth declaraing here jem?
Jem, you're entitled to your opinion, but in all honesty to suggest that he did'nt take anything from the masses and that there's nothing wrong with having his personal life funded by his friends are not accurate statements. The questions you have to ask are "why did his friends fund his lifestyle" (George Colley seemed to know the answer to that), and "were there situations where he looked after the welfare of his friends' above the welfare of the people in taking decisions".jem said:He served this country as a TD, Minister and Taoiseach for over 30 years. Ireland would not be half as good a place without his service, yes he did some wrong and his personal life was funded by friends but then again he wasn't the first or last world leader that this could be said of, churchell was looked after by Aristotle Onassis, Mitterand etc etc. he didn't take anything from "The masses ", .