No, just saving the tax payer money
No, just saving the tax payer moneyAh, that old private school argument nugget....we're saving the Public system from being over whelmed
He's a Journalist who has contacts in the CAO/Dept etc I'm sure. I doubt he made that up considering he was fairly emphatic in making that pointI would like to know the basis for that comment. If it means the Teachers Assessments in these schools were way ahead of their historic achievement (compared to other schools) then they deserve everything that is coming to them.
But I don't see how the IT correspondent could be privy to that information as, after all, the schools' historic results were ignored in the process.
More likely it is a reference to a far greater number of downgrades and indeed the said schools are complaining that is what happened. But according to them that is because they were standardised so as to be no better or no worse than the average school in developing students from Junior Cert to Leaving Cert, in other words paying their fees was a waste of space.
Clearly historically this is not the case as otherwise they would not have survived commercially.
I am not saying he is making it up but there is great scope for ambiguity in interpreting these data.He's a Journalist who has contacts in the CAO/Dept etc I'm sure. I doubt he made that up considering he was fairly emphatic in making that point
The fact that Junior Cert results were used for reference is particularly unfair for those students in the grind-school type schools as they went there to improve on their junior cert results and they have had access to generally better teachers from a results perspective for the last 1 to 2 years (sorry, but that bit is true).I am not saying he is making it up but there is great scope for ambiguity in interpreting these data.
We know that downgrading is "off the Richter scale" for the grind schools because they are screaming about it. But they have an explantion that this is due to unfair standardisation which seems plausible to me.
Readers would probably think the IT correspondent may be implying that the Teachers Assessment was "off the Richter scale" compared to other schools. I don't see that they would have the data to make that insinuation so I suspect that it is merely the former syndrome that they are citing.
30 per class but unlike the public school if Tristan acts the bollix the Principal will be on to Daddy straight away and tellhim that if the boy doesn't stop acting the bollix he's on his bikeI've been surprised at class numbers in the private schools I'm aware of (through in-laws and neighbours sending their kids there). The numbers seem to be close to 30 per class in those schools
Wow, nasty inverted snobbery there. The same rules apply for suspension and expulsion in private and public schools.30 per class but unlike the public school if Tristan acts the bollix the Principal will be on to Daddy straight away and tellhim that if the boy doesn't stop acting the bollix he's on his bike
“Private” schools do. “Grind” schools do notDo they not still get teacher salary paid for by the state?
My daughters speak fluent English as they are native English speakers, I don't expect them to get a H1 in English when they do the Leaving.
This is so OTT.Ciara Kelly said:Middle class students have been thrown under the bus
We threw out the school rankings but used class rankings - so middle-ranked kids in high-achieving schools...were marked down in large numbers to give them an 'average leaving certificate' in national terms.
The most any school can lose is to be standardised as to what their Junior Cert cohort would have achieved in the period JC to LC.
Leaving St Kilians aside (that is a freak anomaly)
That was my original take. But in fact JC is specific to the individual not to the school. So even though a grind school might just do LC, their students would all (or mostly) have a JC. The JC is taken as the measure of the quality of the raw material and standardisation assumes that the finished product (aggregated across the school but not applied individually) relies only on the quality of the raw material and not the "manufacturing" process from JC to LC (reminder: standardisation applied at most 50%).How does this work for grind schools which do not have a JC class.
It doesn't appear to be nearly as stark. One explanation that I have heard which seems plausible is that the pupils at these schools, whilst they might have a home culture of encouraging As Gaelige the vast majority would have their first language as English and their competency in Irish could not be in any way compared with the what a native German would have in her first language.Surely the Gaelscoileanna have the same problem.
This is so OTT.
Listen to the dogs that aren't barking. The well known "middle class" schools seem perfectly content with the outcome, indeed a random look up of one of the more notable reveals an improvement on last year in line with the 4.4% grade inflation. Their website boasts about improvement over 2019 in max points, over 600 points, over 500 points and over 450 points.
Let me repeat. The most any school can lose is to be standardised as to what their Junior Cert cohort would have achieved in the period JC to LC. And the max amount of standardisation was 50%, they were allowed to keep at least 50% of their own assessment.
Now most of these schools have a Junior Cert cohort already above the national average, partly because they are better schools but probably mostly because of the nature of their intake (yes, the professional and middle classes). So they only lose out to the extent that any building on that foundation in the 2/3 years between JC and LC was standardised to the national average.
Leaving St Kilians aside (that is a freak anomaly) the only protests are coming from the grind schools. They have a point if they are much better than the conventional "middle class" schools at getting their students to over achieve by reference to their Junior Cert starting point. It is difficult to believe that any such edge would be very significant.
Yes, and in order to do so they have to have excellent results.Grind schools are businesses, they exist to make a profit.
So?How many parents will be sending their kids to grind schools this year?? very few I would have thought
True, if it has any chance of being a COVID year.How many parents will be sending their kids to grind schools this year?? very few I would have thought
And the students from last year who took a year out with the intention of applying this year.Let's say I would have gotten 450 points had I sat my LC this year, but thanks to grade inflation I get 500 points but still missed out on my course of choice. Assuming that the LC is re-instated next year (or some other, more accurate way in measuring students is used), surely it would be worth my while taking a year out and just applying again next year? If a lot of people do this, it could be very unfair for the current 6 year students.....
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