Ah don't worry, there will always be some rich person earning over 75k that we can tax some more to pay for things...You just relax and don't get stressed. Actually have a medical card as well. Sure life is hard....
Also, I can think of no better incentive to help secure your future than being less and less dependent on the State.
We used to have a real problem with access to Health Services
The UK has the bedroom tax where benefits are cut for each under utilised bedroom. They even have the concept of mutual exchange that lets people swap houses.
....being forced to 'move on' by virtue of their improved circumstances as is being suggested here, and willingly moving on by virtue of their volition.
France has rent reviews every two years on household income with supplements applying on everything over a certain level with no ceiling. I don't exactly see people being kicked to streets.
Denmark and Sweden has seen huge amounts of social housing being bought out by tenants as their circumstances changed.
Dublin City council has a waiting list for people looking to downsize from their existing social property so some people are actually not aghast at such an idea of trying to eliminate under utilisation of social housing stock.
No we didn't, we had terrific access to the Health Services, but then we bought into the notion that a private health service would be better. Now we have the worst of both worlds - increasing waiting lists in the public system and ever increasing costs to enter the private system.
Mutual exchangeswaps? You mean...nobody is...
Because they don't have a policy to evict...haven't you been paying attention!
Same here, same in UK, what has this got to do with being compelled to leave a property as is being suggested here?
So more of this willingly stuff? Great...have they got a list of people they are going to evict?
Your link supports many of the points made by the capitalists pigs here. The authors must also be capitalist pigs.
Does that mean you don't consort with riffraff or does it mean all your classmates got jobs?
More of those spare bedroom so
Eh, is that not everyone????
Also, I can think of no better incentive to help secure your future than being less and less dependent on the State.
This discussion has raised an interesting question (for me).
Should I as a matter of course be encouraging my children to register with the social housing services of our local authority as a life strategy on turning 18 ?
Given the level and increasing rate of price rises of housing and given that *one* of the criteria for selection appears to be time elapsed, is it not a useful hedge for ones' children ?
I just had a look at some of the social housing properties available from DLR CC and some are in very nice locations indeed !
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Yawn. The only person using emotionally charged words like 'eviction' is you.
So anyway, tell us more about the council estate with 15,000 houses that you lived beside....I really want to know where this was
Yawn. Because I'm the only one calling it out for what it is - are you going to tell me all along it was always intended that people would only have to leave their homes if they were willing to do so? Seriously??
Housing estates….my bad, typo. The area is Cabra, Dublin 7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabra,_Dublin
Wait until you read about all the riff-raff that emerged out of those council estates. Particularly this guy
"One of the world's most famous mathematicians, William Rowan Hamilton, who freed algebra from the commutative postulate of multiplication (that the order or sequence of factors does not determine the result) was associated with the area. There is a plaque in his honour at the Broom Bridge."
Should I as a matter of course be encouraging my children to register with the social housing services of our local authority as a life strategy on turning 18 ?
There is no shame with social welfare or benefits but lets not pretend that people who receive benefits like social housing....are paying the same as everyone else.
Given the level and increasing rate of price rises of housing and given that *one* of the criteria for selection appears to be time elapsed, is it not a useful hedge for ones' children ?
I do agree however, that the model in place excludes a lot of working people from owning their own home by virtue of the market prices while simultaneously barring them from social housing by virtue of their income levels.
To me it is simple, we need to build more housing, not only for the poorest but for working people too
Well, show me where I used any word like evict or forcibly remove or anything similar. One example???
God forbid someone from a socially disadvantaged area living in a social house actually gets ahead in life with an education and career. We couldnt tolerate them occupying a social house - evict them, social housing is only for the perpetual poor, we cant have them climbing the ladder lest they contribute back in taxes and give their deprived areas a good name.
First up, I apologise unreservedly for any insinuation on my part that you are making anything up. That was not my intention, rather that in the absence of finer detail its possible that all is not what it seems.
Looking at my previous post I can understand how it could be construed as questioning your character - bad phrasing on my part.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I don't disagree that having social housing agencies competing against each other is a bad thing.
I'm not disagreeing with you.
Why cant we provide more housing for working people who pay taxes but are being fleeced in private rental accomodation who cannot plausibly save for a place of their own?
I totally agree - but what is your proposal to solve the problem?
It was suggested that after '5yrs' anybody who was not mentally or physically impaired should be able to put a roof over their heads.
This is of course nonsense. Its as almost if your OP has been passed by.
I am agreeable with you on these two points.
I have every sympathy for first-time buyers trying to buy a home. I have every sympathy for working professionals who are being fleeced with extortionate rents just so that they can live within a reasonable distance within their employment for which they have obtained through hard study and work.
My proposal is that the State adopts a policy of building more social housing, not only for the poorest and most in need, but the working population that are being fleeced through rocketing house prices (again) and exorbitant rents
I actually was in favour of the bedroom tax model that the UK introduced. I thought it was a very progressive method similar to our tax system.
I would seriously consider it. Given the limits on income, the encroachment of the gig economy/contract work and the cost of housing...it's an insurance policy.This discussion has raised an interesting question (for me).
Should I as a matter of course be encouraging my children to register with the social housing services of our local authority as a life strategy on turning 18 ?
Given the level and increasing rate of price rises of housing and given that *one* of the criteria for selection appears to be time elapsed, is it not a useful hedge for ones' children ?
I just had a look at some of the social housing properties available from DLR CC and some are in very nice locations indeed !
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I'm originally from a similar area. I think your comment says more about your inherent prejudice than mine. Inverted snobbery is the worst kind.Your inherent prejudice is rising to the fore again Purple, just because they come from council estates does not make mean they are any more riff-raff than you.
Sure, but why would anyone bother paying for their own house when they can just get someone else to pay for it?I would seriously consider it. Given the limits on income, the encroachment of the gig economy/contract work and the cost of housing...it's an insurance policy.
Oh and show me where there was 15,000 social or council houses in Cabra? Considering the population of cabra must be no more than 30,000 I would imagine, I would be very interested.....
The population of Cabra is around 22,000. Of the many people I know in Carba most of them own their own home so if there's 5000 council houses there there must be a lot of empty rooms!* Oh, typo on my part - Cabra 5,000 houses!
The population of Cabra is around 22,000. Of the many people I know in Carba most of them own their own home so if there's 5000 council houses there there must be a lot of empty rooms!
I know that people don't like to acknowledge that they are getting hand-outs from their fellow citizens, especially if they are doing okay financially but if you live in a council house then that's exactly what you are getting. What taxes you pay outside of that are irrelevant.
Just say thanks and acknowledge that you are just playing the system and not breaking any rules.
I think that's the nub of it; I fundamentally disagree that giving an adult a house for life is the same thing as providing funding to keep a child in school or a to keep a museum open.Its not a handout, it’s a public service. No different to putting your kids through the state school system, regardless of your income. No different receiving healthcare through the public system, regardless of your income. No different to availing of subsidised public transport, regardless of your income. No different to availing of all other public services from museums and art galleries, public playing pitches for sports clubs, to the justice and law & order services, to the emergency services…housing is simply a public need for everybody.
I think that's the nub of it; I fundamentally disagree that giving an adult a house for life is the same thing as providing funding to keep a child in school or a to keep a museum open.
In the same way I support subsidised public transport (within reason) but I don't think the State should give people cars.
You are of course entitled to that view - but what would you propose?
And if you are not able, despite your best efforts, then stay where you are... and if you have the means to provide your own housing then you should do so in order to free us the house and so enable the State to provide housing for another who can't provide it for themselves.What just about everyone on this thread bar yourself is arguing - That people recognise that council/social housing is not supposed to be your permanent home. It should be a temporary measure that allows you to get yourself sorted. Once you are able to, you should be moving on and supporting yourself.
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