No, you're dead right, just leave things as they are; the current system is perfect and anyone who questions it is doing so out of selfishness and ignorance. You keep fighting the good fight comrade!Or just play a game of musical chairs every week to see who gets to live where? Lets see, how many chairs have we got and how many people are looking for homes? Should be fun!
Absolutely, because nobody availing of a single room rental is ever young and living at home beforehand.Taking people off the waiting lists, out of emergency accommodation, earning a living, paying taxes on that - renting out rooms, should someone wish to, is perfectly normal - happens all the time.
How about suggesting something rather than setting yourself up as the moral inquisitor of those who do?How about, don't turn a dysfunctional and socially deteriorating situation into a chaotic impoverishing and economically destructive one!
How about building more houses, and enough with the nonsense of 5-yr assessments and musical chairs?
You said that the first family are employed and the second are not.
Which is, to the morally bankrupt capitalist pigs, better than them moving into another council house.In which case the incentive, under the new 5yr assessment regime, would be not to work, for the kids not to move out - ever!
Yes, and out of the two families which one had to make way for the other? Under the new regime, because of the spare capacity the working couple would have to move to make way for the non-working family. And I just touched on some of the possible knock-on consequences that may arise, as they do, in the normal course of affairs. In which case the incentive, under the new 5yr assessment regime, would be not to work, for the kids not to move out - ever!
Which is, to the morally bankrupt capitalist pigs, better than them moving into another council house.
Let them live in hostels or the street. I don't care.
To me it is simple, we need to build more housing, not only for the poorest but for working people too.
Well, in fairness to you, Horseman, you have at least moved somewhat insofar that you are proposing a scheme with 'choices'. I do think there is an underlying assumption that most people in social are on the pigs back, free accommodation, don't work, or work very little, prime location in city centres etc....some people think its like winning the lottery, or its all one big gift courtesy of the taxpayer (blinded to the fact that working people in social housing are 'the taxpayer')
The reality is of course far from that, it is a complex business which cannot be resolved on the pages of AAM.
http://files.nesc.ie/nesc_secretari...h_Social_and_Affordable_Housing_Provision.pdf
None of the proposals made so far will go anyway to resolving the current crisis in any reasonable time-frame. In fact I would argue that all of the proposals would get tied up in administrative and legal tangles that would in fact cost the taxpayer more, in other words - they are self-defeating proposals.
I was asked to suggest something constructive -
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Why would people stop working and stop being educated just because they live at home with their parents?You said it. You would rather people stopped working, stopped educating, lived at home with their mammies & daddies all their adult lives rather than see a spare room or two in a social house go unoccupied for all the social injustice this would cause (or rather how much it is costing "your taxes". After all, you did say;
That's when I was an inferior capitalist pig. Now I'm a socialist and better than everyone else and so want to help those who can't help themselves; those downtrodden and unwashed masses. The old part of my brain is telling me that sounds patronising and degrading and the way the Victorians talked about "the darkies" but I know that must be wrong.Purple said:To me it is simple, we need to build more housing, not only for the poorest but for working people too.
Cool! Problem solved! (that voice again; Who's going to pay for them? Who's going to build them? How much will it cost? How long will it take? Given that there's no mobility within the housing stock how do we use our resourced efficiently to ensure that those in most need get what they need?)To me it is simple, we need to build more housing, not only for the poorest but for working people too.
See you are dead wrong there and there's a great example for all to see; We used to have a real problem with access to Health Services. We then massively increased the amount of money we spent on Healthcare and the problem was solved. That's why there are no waiting lists or people on trolleys in A&E's any more.Building more houses on its own is not the answer. A cultural shift is required whereby people are held responsible for their actions. The current political establishment don't have the desire to tackle this problem and we have this bizarre notion everybody is entitled to housing no matter what. If people pay their rent and its set at a reasonable level as I have suggested above then I think that's a move in the right direction.
All building more houses will do is increase the entitlement culture we have. We need to tackle the abuses of the system and make people responsible for their situations. If this means making people homeless when they don't pay rent their differential rent which the State has decided is fair than so be it.
I am however not aware of this ever happening. Maybe if it did it would send a message to others gaming the system and go some way to dispel the stereotyping you feel is ongoing.
Building more houses on its own is not the answer.
A cultural shift is required whereby people are held responsible for their actions.
If this means making people homeless when they don't pay rent their differential rent which the State has decided is fair than so be it.
Why would people stop working and stop being educated just because they live at home with their parents?
If they are getting a free/subsidised house the way things are why would there be more of an imperative to work and get educated?
You said it. You would rather people stopped working, stopped educating, lived at home with their mammies & daddies all their adult lives rather than see a spare room or two in a social house go unoccupied for all the social injustice this would cause (or rather how much it is costing "your taxes". After all, you did say;
You are kidding right? Have you not read anything at all? Is all of this just to try get one over me?
I grew up near a large council estate, some 15,000 houses. Out of those houses I went to school with many of the kids. Of any of them that I am still in contact with, not one lives in a council house. They all grew up, educated themselves, got jobs and careers of varying sorts and all bought private properties of their own.
The imperative to work and get educated is not determined by where you have a free/subsidized house or not. A barrier to educate and work would be if you were not sure where you were going to be living on foot of earning an income. If earning a living could mean joining the queues of FTB or living in emergency accommodation - the impertative would be not to work and be classed as 'needy'.
Your link supports many of the points made by the capitalists pigs here. The authors must also be capitalist pigs.The reality is of course far from that, it is a complex business which cannot be resolved on the pages of AAM.
http://files.nesc.ie/nesc_secretari...h_Social_and_Affordable_Housing_Provision.pdf
Does that mean you don't consort with riffraff or does it mean all your classmates got jobs?Of any of them that I am still in contact with, not one lives in a council house.
I grew up near a large council estate, some 15,000 houses. Out of those houses I went to school with many of the kids. Of any of them that I am still in contact with, not one lives in a council house. They all grew up, educated themselves, got jobs and careers of varying sorts and all bought private properties of their own.
A barrier to educate and work would be if you were not sure where you were going to be living on foot of earning an income.
Eh, is that not everyone???? I wish my career guidance teacher had included the option of social housing when I was younger...Would probably have ended up in a much better location with a shorter commute than where I live now.....
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