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daveco23 said:
Well said.
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Well said.
dodo said:
Sit in a car for a while with the windows rolled up and a tube from the exhaust into the car and it will still kill you... Sit behind a diesel truck in traffic and you will get a blast of crud far in excess of cig smoke from a car in front of you.
Automobiles, like cigs, are pollutants. Wishing someone wouldn`t smoke near you on a street while a multitude of traffic passes you is a cop out. I doubt the masks couriers wear while cycling through the streets are to keep cigarette smoke away from them.
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Those responses are soo predictable. Everytime someone voices a dislike of cigarette smoke, the pollution from cars is brought into the equation.
Thats another issue, and if someone wants to open a thread on that, they're free to do so. This thread is about cigarette pollution.
I mentioned I'd like to be able to walk down a street and breath freash, clean air, instead of exhaled cig smoke. Obviously to do this I dont choose a busy traffic choked street - instead I choose a route of wide, leafy boulevards. But since I live in a country where 20 cigs cost about 2E and there is a huge smoking culture, it means that practically everyone out on their evening stroll is puffing away, so I have to breath lungfulls of their smoke. Its the same in parks, where again there is no traffic, just cig pollution.
Thats another issue, and if someone wants to open a thread on that, they're free to do so. This thread is about cigarette pollution.
I mentioned I'd like to be able to walk down a street and breath freash, clean air, instead of exhaled cig smoke. Obviously to do this I dont choose a busy traffic choked street - instead I choose a route of wide, leafy boulevards. But since I live in a country where 20 cigs cost about 2E and there is a huge smoking culture, it means that practically everyone out on their evening stroll is puffing away, so I have to breath lungfulls of their smoke. Its the same in parks, where again there is no traffic, just cig pollution.
What about the overweight - will we just allow them to walk around frightening little children? Possibly a back entrance into work for people below a certain level should be introduced too - it would hopefully keep them off the main thoroughfares anyway.Purple said:
ragazza said:
Ok, so the solution to your problem is to go live a place where fags cost €30 per pack, smoking is banned outside as well as inside, has lots of leafy boulevards, no cars, and the same nanny state mentality as yourself..
Best of luck.
I could go on about what hazardous inhalents you could also find in parks and wide leafy bouelvards, but as you rightly pointed out, since this is a thread on cigarette pollution, I will leave it at that.
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It's not another issue. The point that is being made is that people should live and let live within reason. Sure, I don't like it when walking down the street and someone lights up in front of me - but does it seriously impinge on my life? - of course not - so there's no need to get puritanical and judgmental about it like some of the people here. I don't know where you are but here smoking is banned in all public establishments. Leave it at that and get a life.ragazza said:
What's next? Confining smokers to their own homes (ony when no visitors are present) and forcing them to keep their windows closed in case any of the vile smoke escapes to pollute the pristine atmosphere outside? Maybe chimneys should be sealed too - and air vents - in case some seeps through with the coal, gas, oil or other lovely vapours? No need for Kyoto then eh?
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dodo said:
You're right. Cancel the smoking ban and let us back inside. Then you'll be happy. Won't you.
dodo said:
Dodo - there are three or four non-smokers on this thread already who completely disagree with what you are saying, so having enough cop on here is not the issue. The issue here is that yourself and other tut-tuts need to realise that you share this earth with other people and that you will not always agree with their actions. This nazi like attitude to smokers is ridiculous. Its a personal choice for people if they want to smoke - Live with it.
Speaking as one who "copped on" some time ago I suggest that you do likewise and go join ASH who will happily listen to your nanny state whining all day.
Someone mentioned we need to share this earth - as common decency when sharing anything, it's helpful to have a bit of consideration for others. I dont call it very considerate when somone blows their smoke straight into your face, drying out your contact lenses and stinking your hair and clothes.
I dated a smoker for 3 years and never had a problem with it, since he was one of the considerate smokers, who held his cigarette away from people's faces, blew the smoke away from people, and didnt litter his butts.
I've absolutely no problem with people making their personal choice to smoke; I just hate it when they indirectly involve me in their decision.
I dated a smoker for 3 years and never had a problem with it, since he was one of the considerate smokers, who held his cigarette away from people's faces, blew the smoke away from people, and didnt litter his butts.
I've absolutely no problem with people making their personal choice to smoke; I just hate it when they indirectly involve me in their decision.
Tough!!
I dont mean to sound harsh but that is the reality we are facing here. Until the day comes (which i doubt will ever happen or at least not in the near future as there would be uproar)when smoking is completly banned everywhere but the smokers home or maybe not even that, then we all have to live with it...as inconsiderate as it might be it is, for the forseeable future, a fact of life and all the moaning will not change that, it just irritates people who smoke and you end up looking and sounding like a narrow minded staunch old grump. Every smoker is aware of the health risks they take and of secondhand smoke effects, and although you may view this to be inconsiderate on their behalf you at least have to acknowledge that they are not directly smoking to annoy you or blowing it in their face, they are doing what the smoking bans objective was, .....not smoking in work places which the majority include public venues...so to call then rude /inconsiderate Ect for having a smoke in their car on the way home from work or walking along the street seems to me to be a bit radical and unfair.
I dont mean to sound harsh but that is the reality we are facing here. Until the day comes (which i doubt will ever happen or at least not in the near future as there would be uproar)when smoking is completly banned everywhere but the smokers home or maybe not even that, then we all have to live with it...as inconsiderate as it might be it is, for the forseeable future, a fact of life and all the moaning will not change that, it just irritates people who smoke and you end up looking and sounding like a narrow minded staunch old grump. Every smoker is aware of the health risks they take and of secondhand smoke effects, and although you may view this to be inconsiderate on their behalf you at least have to acknowledge that they are not directly smoking to annoy you or blowing it in their face, they are doing what the smoking bans objective was, .....not smoking in work places which the majority include public venues...so to call then rude /inconsiderate Ect for having a smoke in their car on the way home from work or walking along the street seems to me to be a bit radical and unfair.