Re: Smoking in the car with Children
Ah yes, the old slippery slope fallacy.
Ah yes, the old slippery slope fallacy.
Maybe we should go the whole hog and not only make it criminal to smoke in the presence of children but also make it illegal to ever feed them anything except good food, ever shout at them or treat them with anything other than saintlike patience. Then again, we really should stop driving except for journeys that are absolutely necessary and in that way endeavour to have only the cleanest air going in to their lungs.
As for their mental health , perhaps they should never see the mood altering effect of even a glass of wine, children are very observant and is this a good example to set them? In fact really should all parents be prohibited from drinking whilst rearing kids, even if they are not present; the after effects,eg, smell, empty bottles, are still there next day.
Yes, the more I think of it,maybe in this brave new world , only those of us who have met special conditions should be allowed breed and rear...........slim, non smokers,minimal drinkers(and of course never in pregnancy !!!!), intelligent people suited to the task. Where have we heard all this sort of ............before?
How far would you take this? Banning children from eating fast food? From using the interweb? Watching TV? Playing outside?
This isn't about banning children from doing something. Its about banning adults from doing something in a location where they're harming the health of children. If we used your logic the current smoking ban would never have come into effect and I, for one, think it has been very effective.
I don't understand your first remark. Re your second, that is the point of this thread. People shouldn't smoke around children.Will you expect the children to carry ID to enforce this? And why not completely ban smoking in the presence of children?
I don't understand your first remark.
In my opinion- Smoking should be banned from sale in this country. it does no good.
I was shocked a couple of times after seeing heavily pregnant woman smoking. It's understandable 20/30 years ago but not now when the dog on the street know the effects of them.
It's an dirty smelly addiction.
Presumably children includes teens up to 17? But 18 year olds wouldn't be covered? How will the garda differentiate?
Do you think that drink driving should be legal and the government should just concentrate on developing the social stigma side of things or do you think that they should go hand-in-hand?The best thing to do is to educate people and turn the whole issue into a social stigma. It used to be a "bit of laugh" to drink and drive, with little penalties (both my grandfathers smashed up several vehicles whilst coming home from the pub), then it became frowned upon, and nowadays it is becoming a big taboo to break. I can imagine the same thing happening with smoking - it is pretty much unacceptable in public places now and I can't believe the screw won't turn on it more anyway.
Banning it will create a black market in ciggies and the addicts will be criminalised in the same way people are for using drugs. You cant force people to live in a way thats right for them - smoking is a dirty smelly addiction, but people who eat badly and are massively overweight are just as negligent to their health as are alcoholics, junkies and no doubt a variety of other things that people do.
I'm a little surprised at this post, I wouldn't have thought you were a fan of the nanny state.
So, is it better to criminalize a self-destructive act and push it to the margins of society or allow it to remain as a heavily regulated and taxed vice. That is the question, and it can be applied to all drugs not just nicotine and alcohol.
How do they know if the young driver of a car is old enough to be driving or is a year below the minimum age?
Presumably in the same way they deal with anything else.
What Purple actually asked was, should it be illegal for adults to smoke in a car in which children are present. Myself and a number of other posters think it should be. Working out the practical arrangements for implementing such a ban is a different matter and would be for the policy makers in Dept of Justice/Dept of Health to get to grips with. I simply think that it would be a good idea if such a ban could be introduced and enforced.
Im on for regulation and tax. I dont like the idea of my free will being removed.
When you are addicted to cigarettes your free will is removed!!
you cannot give them up even if you wanted to as you are addicted for life.
As an experiment, try to give them up for 24 hours. you will be gone round the bend looking for your fix after 8 hours.
Route the exhaust pipe back into the car with yourself and your kids and see what the garda do to you (if they catch you in time).It is estimated that the average car spews out 10,000 times the noxious fumes of the average smoker.
Rubbish - many people successfully give them up.