Shipping Engagement Rings

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dear john rambo.
ive looked at the web site.
a 1 ct is h si is ,using your 1.42 conversation rate, eur€3822 add on the VAT €4625 plus a plat simple mount 500euro equals €5100 plus travel etc there,hotel 400 flights 250for him and her.. total its probably going to work out at €6k.
i guess in dublin you can look and get something for that are almost that.

Rambos suggestion of being a tax evader is foolish.
1: if you are going to deal with a jeweller who will do something that bent, you can be assured that he will be just as bent with you.he will sell you a poor quaility diamond with no worries.come on rambo, think! use your head.

2; if you are tax evading there is no real price comparsion between them and here.if you found a tax evading jeweller here the prices are the same

3;if you pay cash to avoid VAT youve no reciept equals no come back.i'm really surprised you dont understand this.

4;if as rambo suggests you illegally buy and avoid VAT how will you insure the ring.if its lost, you will not be able to produce reciept and the insurance company will refuse to pay out.

4;for every 100 h si diamonds only 10 are great.the rest are poor.thats what your been sold over seas.here comes the thick paddies

so to recap, itll cost you 6k to make a purchase in belguim at least!compared to 6.5k here
so your magical saving of 100% is wrong.
and at least with dublin you deal with local jewellers who can be sued if your sold a dud.
will you tell us what interest you have in the mistruth of massive savings and your interest in the business??
 
John Rambo said:
Mrgtbad...I'm sorry to say it's you who does not seem to know what you're talking about. I did some research into this ring you allegedly saw for €19,000. First of all, I'm going to assume it was a round diamond solitare, i.e. the most expensive type. It may not have been, but that would just reinforce my argument further. Pricing that stone on www.diamondland.be which is a good guideline a 2ct H Si round diamond goes for around US$16,356. That's €11,518 at today's exchange rate of 1.42 (the actual physical rate you'd get in the bank, not the headline rate) Now as previously described in other threads, many jewellers in Antwerp will waive the VAT element if you pay them in cash. That is entirely a matter for you and for them. If you do this, the price becomes €9,519. Also, as mentioned in other threads the gold ring/setting is complementary. From this example, you can see that the person buying this ring you saw in Wicklow Street would be paying 100% more than the person buying the same ring with the same specifications in Antwerp. I think it's fair to say that it doesn't really matter whether the flight you might have to take to Antwerp is €80 or €250 when you look at it like this!
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on the web site you recommend a 2 ct hsi is dollar19700 thats13900 euro plus a mount and setting 500 equals euro14400 plus the VAT €17425.
you could get something in dublin for that with out travelling and costs.

you are mis calcuating.look at your numbers again.the US$16356 did not include the VAT.
so much for balanced debate.
keep you smart remarks to your self (ie its me who doesnt know what hes talking about)and look at your figures
 
mrgtbad - i would like to correct you on point 3 above, I purchased from Harrold Phillip (no affiliation other than a very very satisifed customer) earlier this year in cash saving on the tax and I did receive a receipt, international diamond cert etc.

For the record i was organised and booked my flights a few weeks in advance and got them cheaper than 80 quid each with Aerlingus to Brussels.

Anyone thats serious about buying >1 carat diamond, D-E colour would be foolish to purchase in Dublin/Ireland. I did months of research on this...........prices down the country were high but Dublins were just plain and simply a rip off.
 
Mrgtbad...why have you resurrected this thread? Everyone believes you have a vested interest in turning people off buying diamonds abroad. Your manipulation of figures is bizarre. Including the VAT still leads to massive savings. On this forum you've tens of people delighted with what they got...and then you who is vehemently opposed to the whole process. Again, I say I saved a 5 figure sum by purchasing in Antwerp...phenomenal stuff.
 
John Rambo said:
Mrgtbad...why have you resurrected this thread? Everyone believes you have a vested interest in turning people off buying diamonds abroad. Your manipulation of figures is bizarre. Including the VAT still leads to massive savings. On this forum you've tens of people delighted with what they got...and then you who is vehemently opposed to the whole process. Again, I say I saved a 5 figure sum by purchasing in Antwerp...phenomenal stuff.
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hi rambo.
you have not looked at the mistake you made.the site you mentions has written in small writing that it does NOT include VAT.i checked this site.
a 2ct h si costs €13900 thats for a loose stone.add a mount say €500 and add 21% VAT equals €17424.
i'm not been smart but you are not a very good accountant.also for an accountant your suggestion of evading tax is shocking.

please tell me excatly where i am making the mistake with the numbers above, not like the last reply which did not address the details.
again, i am certain i saw a 2ct h si mounted in a shop in wicklow for that price above.
 
Yeager said:
mrgtbad - i would like to correct you on point 3 above, I purchased from Harrold Phillip (no affiliation other than a very very satisifed customer) earlier this year in cash saving on the tax and I did receive a receipt, international diamond cert etc.

For the record i was organised and booked my flights a few weeks in advance and got them cheaper than 80 quid each with Aerlingus to Brussels.

Anyone thats serious about buying >1 carat diamond, D-E colour would be foolish to purchase in Dublin/Ireland. I did months of research on this...........prices down the country were high but Dublins were just plain and simply a rip off.
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hi Yeager
i dont think a company can decide to wavier the VAT.that is a tax levied by the government..if they have evaded tax i dont know how a real reciept could be issued.it couldnt be?
i think anyone flying overseas with 8000cash to make a purchase of such a small but important thing is a bit mad.youve no real come back if your sold the runt of the diamond liter.and just of note i got a quote from harold and he was from what i remember only 500euro cheaped than what i could find in dublin.
 
mrgtbad, Although I try and support the local trade, there are real bargains overseas. The truth is that the Dublin jewelers and those in the trade simply do not want to 'trade'. In the past week I have spoken with a some persons I know in the trade and they themselves are telling me head away if I want to purchase top quality over 2 cts diamonds. You must remember it's not the buyers that are evading the Tax - it is a sellers problem. Simply there is no point in trying to keep the Ireland flag flying when we are living in a much bigger market. And the locals won't thank you whilst making a fool of yourself. I purchase quite a bit of jewelry and I will be travelling hereonin.
 
mercman said:
mrgtbad, Although I try and support the local trade, there are real bargains overseas. The truth is that the Dublin jewelers and those in the trade simply do not want to 'trade'. In the past week I have spoken with a some persons I know in the trade and they themselves are telling me head away if I want to purchase top quality over 2 cts diamonds. You must remember it's not the buyers that are evading the Tax - it is a sellers problem. Simply there is no point in trying to keep the Ireland flag flying when we are living in a much bigger market. And the locals won't thank you whilst making a fool of yourself. I purchase quite a bit of jewelry and I will be travelling hereonin.
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hi mercman.
my problem is 2 fold.any time i try to find out if there is abargin overseas, the rings simply dont work out much cheaper.often they are more expensive when you add in travel cost.and not to mention the reputability of suppliers overseas.also if you have a problem you have to fly back and risk been ran around.. and suing is out of the question.for me , all my big purchases ie cars etc i'll always buy local.
its not that i want to support local really.. its about a commercial decision. i know theres a chance that there could be a problem and i want to get back to the shop.

evading the tax is a issue.
ie.if you bring in a ring from america and bring it home without import tax being paid-it is an illegal import.NO insurance company will pay up.
so if you have a 20k ring there is no way to get insurance which will pay out.ring up an insurance company and find out.so the risk is too great in my opion.also if your tax evading that might explain why the rings are more expensive here.if the all the jewellers evaded tax over her, there would be no hospitals for your elderly parents or schools for your kids etc etc you knowwhat i mean?
what kind of 2ct do you plan to get and how much can u get it for?just been nosey ;-)
 
I insured my other halves New York engagement ring when we got back very easily.
Just got a written valuation specifying the diamond type and size as well as its value to replace in Ireland.
This was no problem to the valuer who seemed to be very genuine and is established in the area for 30 years.
He was extremely impressed with the value for money we got and confirmed we could not have got a similar diamond for anywhere near that price in Ireland ( Was worth several multiples of the purchase price ).
Also the price included NY taxes.
 
staunton said:
I insured my other halves New York engagement ring when we got back very easily.
Just got a written valuation specifying the diamond type and size as well as its value to replace in Ireland.
This was no problem to the valuer who seemed to be very genuine and is established in the area for 30 years.
He was extremely impressed with the value for money we got and confirmed we could not have got a similar diamond for anywhere near that price in Ireland ( Was worth several multiples of the purchase price ).
Also the price included NY taxes.
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Did you declare and pay import tax on return?the insurance company will take your money but if you lose it and need to claim they want to see that it has not been illegally imported in to this country.if it has the wont pay out.
 
Seriously Mrgtbad, what is your connection with the jewellery business in Ireland. The VAT isssue you've highlighted is an issue and I overlooked it but that was in a quick one minute search to disprove some of your wild claims. Frankly, I've bigger and better things to be doing. You are spending an inordinate amount of time bad mouthing the concept of buying diamond rings anywhere other than Ireland. Again, I ask why? I couldn't care less about websites or what you've seen in shops. I did a lot of research before buying my fiance's ring. We went to Weirs, Appelby's, Rocks, Paul Sheeran, and Boodles. We saw numerous examples of the design of ring we wanted with the cut and clarity we wanted. These were all in the €20000-€25000 range so we're not talking about chump change. Then, on the advice of posters here I looked into the Antwerp option and got the same ring, same spec for far far less. And just to clarify a point for you items purchased in the EU are not subject to duty and equally monies paid over to a retailer are assumed to be VAT inclusive. As for you insurance scaremongering it just isn't true. You just get it valued and stick it on your insurance. Do insurance companies start querying where you bought iPhones or golf clubs? No they do not. And finally, you consistently inflate the costs of travel...why? Why are you so concerned with people buying abroad? It's unnatural...unless you have a vested interest in which case you should divulge it.
 
As with I suspect 99% of people we did not declare our ring. This would have added 20% to the cost of it.
However this is negligible in comparison to the amount we saved by purchasing abroad ( several hundred per cent ) as confirmed by the professional valuation who as I said being an EXPERT in this field for over 30 yrs confirmed that a valuation cert is perfectly adequate for insurance purposes.
 
mrgtbad has managed to insult everybody and everything that is not willing to agree with him. There is so much posted by him that it remains that he is simply putting people off from even going into a local Jewelry shop. It is everybody else that is wrong according to him. He wants us all to ensure that the VAT returns of the people we purchase goods from are adhered to. Even the Insurance companies do not know as to what they are doing. mrgtbad - what a guy !! You have done the exact same for the jewelry business in Ireland as Hitler did for the German tourist market.
 
calm down girls.i'm just doingwhat eddie hobbs says we should.compare like for like.i have queried things
;it not insulting people ...
i stand by all ive said.i wont buy a computer overseas.its just me.
ring up yourinsurance company.tell them youve imported a ring and evaded paying TAX and ask them will they pay out.youll need to talk to person who deals with claims.as a tax payer i thing evaders are scum.
mr rambo, what are these bigger and better things you have to do?

and i am flattered to be compared with hitler.like him, i favour hanging my enemy's
with pianowire.( there was also very little crime in the third reich)
so to summerise... no one likes me?
 
I'm invoking Godwin's Law and closing this thread. When the "Third Reich" is invoked then the thread has passed the point of being of any interest to us here on AAM.
 
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