Sharing office with smokers = horrible smoke smell clings to clothes for ages after.

PaddyW said:
Majority of smokers I know have had very few smoking related illnesses. I smoked for 17 years and the worst smoking related illness that I had, if you could even call it that, was the flu.

In relation to the taxes I paid, I'm pretty sure most of that would've been used on non smoking related issues! I don't know what you mean in this part "You may have paid tax relating to smoking but have you paid enough to provide adequate beds to enable all service users to acquire a hospital bed in Winter?"

Are you suggesting that every smoker should pay enough in taxes so that everyone who uses the hospital should be paid for? And why just winter, what about summer?
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I say Winter because thats when there is an enormous peak in chest infections, CPOD, etc, especially amongst smokers. You were very fortunate that you did not go on smoking into old age or you would have found yourself having similar problems - not that it only happens older people either.
You say you covered your hospital stay in taxes, yes, YOU probably did, but lots of smokers could have multiple hospital admisssions or out-patient attendances, squeezing out other hospital users, thats what I mean when I say some smokers are using the system more than non-smokers but we are all paying the same tax.
 
ophelia said:
You say you covered your hospital stay in taxes, yes, YOU probably did, but lots of smokers could have multiple hospital admisssions or out-patient attendances, squeezing out other hospital users, thats what I mean when I say some smokers are using the system more than non-smokers but we are all paying the same tax.
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You could say the same for alcohol related illnesses, people who drive dangerously and cause accidents, people with eating disorders, drug addicts, extreme sports enthusiasts who are always breaking something, people who refuse to see a doctor until something simple becomes something serious, people with mental health issues.......

Plenty of people who have never smoked have multiple hospital admissions, out patient attendances. Should we marginalise against people with mental health issues for example because our own minds are 'healthy'? Ive never needed to go for a psychiatric stay - so why should my taxes pay for those who need it?
 
truthseeker said:
I dont understand this - if people are in the next garden smoking, how does this stop you from using your own garden or opening your windows/patio doors? At most all youd get would be a very diluted whiff of smoke in the air?
Presumably you also wont use your garden or open your windows/patio doors if they have a BBQ?
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It isn't as diluted as you would think, and non-smokers would have a more accute sense of smell. It's hard to express just how revolting it is to breathe in someone else's second hand smoke.

BBQ's are actually annoying to some people too - neighbours to one side of me regularly grumble about the neighbours to my other side having regular BBQ's in summer time. Can't please everyone I guess :)
 
truthseeker said:
You could say the same for alcohol related illnesses, people who drive dangerously and cause accidents, people with eating disorders, drug addicts, extreme sports enthusiasts who are always breaking something, people who refuse to see a doctor until something simple becomes something serious, people with mental health issues.......

Plenty of people who have never smoked have multiple hospital admissions, out patient attendances. Should we marginalise against people with mental health issues for example because our own minds are 'healthy'? Ive never needed to go for a psychiatric stay - so why should my taxes pay for those who need it?
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Come on, truthseeker, we all know about the health related problems from smoking. They supercede all the other stuff by a long stroke. Just go into a daytime A&E in mid-Winter, the majority of cubicles will be occupied by people who have smoking related symptoms.
 
ophelia said:
Come on, truthseeker, we all know about the health related problems from smoking. They supercede all the other stuff by a long stroke. Just go into a daytime A&E in mid-Winter, the majority of cubicles will be occupied by people who have smoking related symptoms.
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Im not saying there are not health related problems from smoking, although I do not have statistics on the numbers of cubicles occupied with smoking related symptoms Vs non smoking related symptoms. Im not sure how much Id learn from walking into an A&E without checking each persons chart - just because someone is coughing doesnt mean its smoking related - my own FIL is currently suffering bronchitis and was never a smoker and a neighbour has lung cancer and never smoked either. Its easy to hear a cough and think 'its smoking related' but its not always. Of course the smokers are more predisposed but I dont think smokers are the majority of the population - or are they?

Im simply saying that as far as taxes go, there are a huge number of various issues, addictions, etc... that I dont participate in (like drug addiction) but my taxes still go to pay for the treatment of all of them. There will be plenty of smokers who pay taxes as well as non smokers, and there will be plenty of non smoking related illnesses that get looked after as well as smoking related illnesses.
 
Complainer said:
You obviously don't understand the revulsion to cigarette smoke that many people have. Cigarette smoke stinks. And it clings for a long time. It is horrible. And we get it in stereo.
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+1, cigarettes are so replusive to me, i'm very sensitive to the smell.
if my OH comes home from a night out (he doesn't smoke but would socialise with friends who sit in the smoking areas in pubs) the clothes need to be washed straight away. I hate the smell it leaves on cloth and furniture.
it seems to be only smokers who think that if they open a window or spray deoderant that the smell will disappear.
it clings to clothes, skin and hair and i hate it.
OP you should open the windows in your office on a freezing cold day and say it's because of the smell.
I'd make no apologies for hating it!!
 
Ciaraella said:
+1, cigarettes are so replusive to me, i'm very sensitive to the smell.
if my OH comes home from a night out (he doesn't smoke but would socialise with friends who sit in the smoking areas in pubs) the clothes need to be washed straight away. I hate the smell it leaves on cloth and furniture.
it seems to be only smokers who think that if they open a window or spray deoderant that the smell will disappear.
it clings to clothes, skin and hair and i hate it.
OP you should open the windows in your office on a freezing cold day and say it's because of the smell.
I'd make no apologies for hating it!!
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I absolutely would open the windows, except they don't open!
I turn on the A/C complaining that it's "a bit stuffy" but someone turns it off each time my back is turned :)
I'll grin and bear it; I've only moved to this office recently and may be moved again in a few weeks depending on assignments.
 
I'm getting a feeling watching this subject. It is occurring to me that most of the objections here are against the smoker rather than the smoke and its off-shoots. Last night I visited somebody in hospital and on the way in I heard a person complaining about the "hoody & tracksuit" brigade smoking outside of the main entrance. Later while passing the same spot the same objector saw a doctor smoking and suggested to her "a well deserved smoke, doctor . . . "

I ran this across a smoker in the pub later and he informed me that he wished that non-smokers would leave smokers in peace because everytime he goes to the smoking shed out back it is full of non smokers on the passion-prowl.
 
Leper said:
I ran this across a smoker in the pub later and he informed me that he wished that non-smokers would leave smokers in peace because everytime he goes to the smoking shed out back it is full of non smokers on the passion-prowl.
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I'd leave them in peace if they didn't bring a stench with them into work and on the bus every time they have a cigarette!
 
So really the thread is about noisome odours that offend the olfactory sense? Why stop at just the smokers? I've shared offices with farters and burpers (from high consumers of garlic/onions). I've had female coworkers who can't seem to last 40 mins without a liberal sheep dip of some celebrity brand of marketed cat urine perfume poured over them and the office or a can of deodarant every 10 minutes.

And of course the folks who believe that personal hygiene is the devil's work and therefore the only Christian way of life is to stink like a Chilean Miner's jocks all day every day.

People stink, a lot.
 
ophelia said:
You say you covered your hospital stay in taxes, yes, YOU probably did, but lots of smokers could have multiple hospital admisssions or out-patient attendances, squeezing out other hospital users, thats what I mean when I say some smokers are using the system more than non-smokers but we are all paying the same tax.
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No, I did not say I covered my hospital stay in taxes, I covered them with health insurance that I paid for. As I said I paid a LOT of money related to taxes on cigarettes. I never once was admitted for a smoking related illness and if I had been, health insurance would've covered it. There are many like me, who smoked, paid taxes and never used up state resources because of it. Have you forgotten all the taxes which were paid by these people that more than likely were spent against non smoking related issues?
 
Latrade said:
So really the thread is about noisome odours that offend the olfactory sense? Why stop at just the smokers? I've shared offices with farters and burpers (from high consumers of garlic/onions). I've had female coworkers who can't seem to last 40 mins without a liberal sheep dip of some celebrity brand of marketed cat urine perfume poured over them and the office or a can of deodarant every 10 minutes.

And of course the folks who believe that personal hygiene is the devil's work and therefore the only Christian way of life is to stink like a Chilean Miner's jocks all day every day.

People stink, a lot.
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+1 on that
 
truthseeker said:
Although some people here are also complaining about smokers smoking outdoors in the next garden and thus spreading their illness and disease about - as opposed to just their smell.
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I didn't see any posts that fit this description. Can you tell me which posts you are referring to here?
 
You've selected bits of Mel's post and put them together in a different context. His point about illness and disease was not in the context of people smoking outdoors in the next garden.
 
Complainer said:
You've selected bits of Mel's post and put them together in a different context. His point about illness and disease was not in the context of people smoking outdoors in the next garden.
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I disagree.

He talks about colleagues - who smoke outside. He talks about his neighbour - who smokes outside.

He talks about smokers spreading illness and disease - ergo - smokers outside spreading illness and disease.

Perhaps you had a different reading of it, but it seems clear to me that the opinion is that people who smoke spread illness and disease and all smokers that were discussed smoke outside. The context didnt really change from one post to the next.
 
Working in an office environment requires a lot of self-control and tact. A smell of cigarette smoke from clothing is just one thing to manage.

- volume and duration and frequency of personal calls
- cheap headphones spilling noise
- nose picking
- absence of a belt revealing a sight no-one should ever have to see
- whispering

and so on ..
 
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