SEPA Instant Progress, or the lack of it...

So is this working if you send money from another bank to PTSB? Eg a business account to your current account with PTSB or is it only to accounts in your own name
It only works if the bank you are sending the money from is capable of sending SEPA Instant payments (no Irish banks are, but the likes of Revolut, N26 etc. are). All PTSB accounts with an IBAN should be reachable for instant payments now.
 
It only works if the bank you are sending the money from is capable of sending SEPA Instant payments (no Irish banks are, but the likes of Revolut, N26 etc. are). All PTSB accounts with an IBAN should be reachable for instant payments now

Gotcha ! Thanks
 
All PTSB accounts with an IBAN should be reachable for instant payments now.
Oddly, that’s not the case. PTSB say that only what they refer to as “PTSB Payment Accounts” are capable of receiving SEPA Instant. Other accounts, such as regular saver, cannot receive SEPA Instant, despite them having an IBAN. Details below:

Incoming SEPA Instant Credit Transfers now live for PTSB's payment accounts​

Published on 24 January 2025
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PTSB accounts can now receive SEPA Instant Credit Transfers.
For PTSB payment account (Current Account, Demand Deposit Account and Credit Card Account) customers this means that when a SEPA Instant Credit Transfer is received, the payment will be paid to your account within 10 seconds 24/7 365 days a year.
For any other accounts, we will process the payment to your account on the same or next business day subject to cut-off times.
Later this year, PTSB customers will also be able to send outgoing SEPA Instant Credit Transfers.
For more information on SEPA Instant Credit Transfers and how they apply to your accounts, see our FAQ page and our Business Days and Cut off times page.

https://www.ptsb.ie/about-us/notice...ransfers-now-live-for-ptsbs-payment-accounts/
 
AIB have instant Sepa now. I just sent money from Bunq to AIB and it arrived instantly.
I did two transfers from BUNQ to AIB during during the week just gone. Both transfers from the same source account and to the same destination account. One arrived instantly, the other took over 24 hours. I queried this with BUNQ and was given a generic cut and paster response which left me no wiser.
 
I just tried Revolut to PTSB and it's going to be tomorrow and not 10 seconds. I presume I should have deleted my PTSB account details on Revolut and then set up again and then it would be only 10 seconds?
 
Tad frustrating yesterday, was trying to set up an ETF in Lightyear for my daughter, her funds are in PTSB by the time the test amount arrived today the S&P500 had bounced back considerably.

Ah well, that's life.
 
I was concerned by the PTSB notice that I referred to in post #25. I check BOI today and their take on this is even worse, see below. In particular, the final paragraph. "SEPA Instant payments will not apply to certain account types such as Loans, Mortgages, Deposits (other than Personal or Business Demand Deposit Accounts opened before 18 October 2022), Currency or Credit Card accounts" (My emphasis)

Why the jesuitical differentiation between Personal Deposit Accounts opened before and those opened on/after 18th October 2022 ?

And why are Credit Card Accounts excluded, given that PTSB are explicitly including them ?

Is this going to be IBAN discrimination all over again, with the various parties involved having to be dragged inch by inch over the line ? We know by now that the CBI is completely useless when it comes to being proactive on consumer related matters. It will be very frustrating if it falls on individuals to fight this cases by case through our slow and bureaucratic regulatory and complaints procedures.

What is a SEPA Instant Credit Transfer (SEPA Instant payment) and will I be able to receive this type of payment into my account?

A SEPA Instant payment enables funds to be transferred from one payment account to another in euro within 10 seconds, 24 hours a day, 365 days of the year. SEPA Instant payments enable you to send and receive money in euro immediately (within 10 seconds of the payment being made), every day of the year including bank holidays and weekends. There are a few exceptions to this, such as times when the system might be unavailable due to planned maintenance, which we will let you know about in advance.
From 9 January 2025, you will be able to receive SEPA Instant payments into your payment account, for example your current account.
Later in 2025, you will be able to send a SEPA Instant payment from your payment account. We will let you know (for example, in our Bank of Ireland App and on our website) closer to the time, when SEPA Instant payments are available to you.
SEPA Instant payments will not apply to certain account types such as Loans, Mortgages, Deposits (other than Personal or Business Demand Deposit Accounts opened before 18 October 2022), Currency or Credit Card accounts. However, you will still be able to send and/or receive money using the existing payment options for these accounts

https://personalbanking.bankofireland.com/bank/sepa/questions-about-sepa-payments/

Overall, far from impressed by the implementation thus far, notwithstanding that it is still early days, the banks total lack of enthusiasm for the change and the scale of the change at a technical level. SEPA Instant has been operational since 2017 and the dates for mandatory implementation were flagged early in 2024 so there is no excuse for anything other than a smooth and timely rollout. It will be a lot easier to judge the quality of the service on/after 25th November when SEPA Instant becomes mandatory for outbound transactions but to date the reliability of the Irish Banks implementation leaves a lot to be desired, and "Instant" appears to be a bonus when it happens rather than something that can be relied upon. Based on my experiences, it is also showing up the Irish Bank's rubbish security and verification processes which look like they will be under considerable strain going forward.
 
For the record I checked AIB's take on which accounts are included for SEPA Instant and it is as follows.

Interesting that AIB include Credit Cards and all Deposit Accounts when BOI don't feel the need to bother doing so.

What payment accounts are covered by SEPA Instant Credit Transfers?

All our Republic of Ireland payment accounts have this feature.

The following AIB ROI payment accounts can receive SEPA Instant Credit Transfers.
  • Personal Demand Deposit Account
  • Demand Deposit Account
  • Online Saver Account
  • Youth Savings Account
  • Basic Bank Account
  • Advantage Account
  • Student Account
  • Student Plus Account
  • Graduate Account
  • Business Start Up Account
  • Business Current Account (incl. Young Farmer Account)
  • Personal Bank Account
  • Masterplan Account
  • Junior / Student Saver
  • AIB Corporate, Business and Purchasing Cards
  • AIB All Personal / Student Credit Cards
  • AIB (NI) Euro Current Account
https://aib.ie/terms-and-conditions-updates/q-and-a
 
Legally speaking the key thing is whether the accounts in question are "payment accounts" under PSD2 or not. Only "payment accounts" are in scope for Instant Payments. There is EU case-law holding that savings accounts and other deposit accounts whose primary purpose is not to make payments are not "payment accounts". I realise that to many, their main current account is potentially both a deposit and payment account. Some are confusing this with IBAN discrimination, which is a private sector problem whereby utility companies and employers for instance will not make/accept payments from foreign IBANs of customers/employee. That is a separate and distinct problem to instant payments implementation.
 
Some are confusing this with IBAN discrimination, which is a private sector problem whereby utility companies and employers for instance will not make/accept payments from foreign IBANs of customers/employee. That is a separate and distinct problem to instant payments implementation.
I'm not confusing anything. Fully accept that these are different problems. I mentioned IBAN discrimination, however unrelated, as an example of something that should not have been an issue and that required consumer's having to fight for what was mandated. The point is that we don't an effective champion for consumer interest, especially in the financial sector. By the way, the Irish retail banks are also private sector, notwithstanding the fact that we have to bail them out due to their incompetence.
 
I would say the CBI will take a more keen interest in ensuring compliance with the Instant Payments Regulation than IBAN discrimination because this is a clear financial services law obligation which firms it supervises must comply with. IBAN discrimination is not fully within the CBI remit, more of a general consumer one. Speaking of which the CBI is always keen to delimit its competition mandate and in the new PSD3 text, much of the enforcement obligations are really competition related, so it will be interesting to see how that is handled by the CBI.

One omission in the tables above is whether An Post's payment account offering is also capable of receiving instant payments yet. Along with the banks and Revolut, they are probably among the top 5/6 payment account providers in the Irish market.
 
just sent a test tenner from my N26 account and it arrived immediately in my AIB Current account. What an age we live in, tonight I'm going to party like it's 2008! (I bet it doesn't work at the weekend...)

of course I still can't save my N26 details in the AIB app because it's not an Irish IBAN.
 
I would say the CBI will take a more keen interest in ensuring compliance with the Instant Payments Regulation than IBAN discrimination because this is a clear financial services law obligation
I had an IBAN discrimination issue with a financial services firm (on of the health insurers I think). Contacted CBI, than had someone from the firm calling me later that day to take my nonIrish IBAN for the direct debit
 
Revolut to EBS is instant for me, but strangely Revolut to N26 (since N26 has opened up instant for all) still does not get instant. That's quite frustating since they're both neobanks.
 
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