Secondary school teaching:can't seem to get a job as a sub, even for a day.Any advice

Re: Secondary school teaching:can't seem to get a job as a sub, even for a day.Any ad

ajapale said:
Dwellers OP was as follows:



Has dwellers original question been answered?

aj
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Yes...get a different job
 
Re: Secondary school teaching

extopia said:
It's "it's," not "its." :) (Sorry, one of my pet hates.)

I hope you really are dyslexic, because illiteracy is not a good sign, whether one teaches English or P.E. - or does any other knowledge-based job. Literacy sends its own message about your standards of excellence.

On the other hand, I commend you for preparing for each class, day after day, rather than recycling the same old stuff like some of the lifers out there.
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You know this is a forum....not a spelling test and some of us are not trained to type. Seriously what a ridiculous thing to say and YES I'm dyslexic. PrObLeM??? Now if you have nothing to say regarding the initial question why pipe in just be negative?? :(
 
Re: Secondary school teaching

extopia said:
I hope you really are dyslexic, because illiteracy is not a good sign, whether one teaches English or P.E. - or does any other knowledge-based job. Literacy sends its own message about your standards of excellence.
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I'm illiterate am I? Answers on a tape to ....:eek:
 
Some of the teachers think they can get 3 times their salary in the private sector. However, I am in the private sector and I am still not well paid.

I think in order to get well paid, it is a combination of hard work, getting into a good company, the right experience early on in your career, and everything falling into place careerwise.

If a teacher left their job in the morning, they would probably not get a senior position in e.g. chemistry or accountancy. The companies would take them on at a junior/mid level, as they would not have industry experience. They would probably not get 3 times their salary, or at least not until they have 10 yrs useful experience with big companies.

If teachers would REALLY get 3 times their salary in the private sector, why not just walk out of their job!! They will not walk out of their jobs, especially if they are permanent. A permanent job is nothing to be sniffed at. It means you will never be made redundant or have to take a lower level job. It means a pension as well. I think the permanency, pension benefits and the shorter hours more than compensate for the 'lower' pay as a teacher.
 
buzybee said:
Some of the teachers think they can get 3 times their salary in the private sector. However, I am in the private sector and I am still not well paid.

I think in order to get well paid, it is a combination of hard work, getting into a good company, the right experience early on in your career, and everything falling into place careerwise.

If a teacher left their job in the morning, they would probably not get a senior position in e.g. chemistry or accountancy. The companies would take them on at a junior/mid level, as they would not have industry experience. They would probably not get 3 times their salary, or at least not until they have 10 yrs useful experience with big companies.

If teachers would REALLY get 3 times their salary in the private sector, why not just walk out of their job!! They will not walk out of their jobs, especially if they are permanent. A permanent job is nothing to be sniffed at. It means you will never be made redundant or have to take a lower level job. It means a pension as well. I think the permanency, pension benefits and the shorter hours more than compensate for the 'lower' pay as a teacher.
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Lots of "probabilities"there Buzybee. Obviously teachers are not in this career for the money.....Well not since the marriage bar was removed in 1973.
 
Judybaby73 said:
Obviously teachers are not in this career for the money.....Well not since the marriage bar was removed in 1973.
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So are they all in it for the love of the job or are some in it for the short hours, long holidays, pension and the probability of a permanent job that it is virtually impossible to loose, even through gross incompetence?

Teachers are not well paid by industry standard but hour for hour over the year they are on a huge salary. I would not like to be a teacher as I would not like the job but we can all complain about what's wrong in our jobs and why we should have more. IMHO taking a holistic view of life teachers do quite well. But since I have never worked as one I cannot offer a fully informed opinion.
Have you ever had a job where you are shouted at by your boss, have no union, no job security and work 60 hours over a 6 or 7 day week and never get your full 20 days holidays? That's reality for some people out there in the private sector, the "real world" as some might say, so the grass is not always greener.
For most of us the lack of job security, long hours and inability to take all of out meagre holidays is or has been a reality in our job.
 
Re: Secondary school teaching:can't seem to get a job as a sub, even for a day.Any ad

Purple said:
Have you ever had a job where you are shouted at by your boss, have no union, no job security and work 60 hours over a 6 or 7 day week and never get your full 20 days holidays? That's reality for some people out there in the private sector, the "real world" as some might say, so the grass is not always greener.
For most of us the lack of job security, long hours and inability to take all of out meagre holidays is or has been a reality in our job.
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I choose to stay in my job because I love it....not for the money. Why are you still in a job that ..lacks security...has long hours and all the rest you mentioned!


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I stay in my job because I get to be creative, am my own boss and am rewarded for success. The lack of job security is the way it should be; if you are not good enough you should be sacked, or in my case I would go out of business.
Long hours are a reality for most people in the private sector, and many in the public sector as well. I don't moan about it, if I didn't like it I would do something else.
 
I think this thread is heading over to Letting Off Steam soon - especially since the original poster seems to be no longer around.
 
I did a bit of subbing a long time ago, I went around a few schools and asked for the VP, gave them my CV and told them what subjects was interested in etc. Said I was going to do the dip and wanted a bit of experience first!!
1 school did advise that due to their system they were not the fastest of payers, I told them it was not a porb.
In the end between the 2 schools got enough work to keep me going while (on and off for 4 months). Also enough work to decide teaching was not the career for me.
 
some teachers are great. some are crap. I have a son who sat the leaving cert two years ago. I knew from a long time back that his french and maths teachers were crap. encouraged him to take grinds but he refused. anyway with 2 months to the leaving he realised, belatedly, and not wanting to resit the leaving, that he needed points from somewhere, anywhere to get him his target of 420. So he borrowed geography books from one of his mates and started reading them and took advice/help from others who were studying geography for the previous two years. Result: His geography marks were higher than either his french or maths and counted towards his points tally. I know I am partially to blame for not forcing him to take the grinds etc, and he did achieve his target. His school ( they call themselves a college) needless to say doesn't feature in the top 400 in Ireland. and with some teachers of the calibre they have this is no surprise. Good teachers should be rewarded and bad teachers should also also receive their reward. This will never happen of course. Rant over.
 
cuchulainn said:
some teachers are great. some are crap. I have a son who sat the leaving cert two years ago. I knew from a long time back that his french and maths teachers were crap. encouraged him to take grinds but he refused. anyway with 2 months to the leaving he realised, belatedly, and not wanting to resit the leaving, that he needed points from somewhere, anywhere to get him his target of 420. So he borrowed geography books from one of his mates and started reading them and took advice/help from others who were studying geography for the previous two years. Result: His geography marks were higher than either his french or maths and counted towards his points tally. I know I am partially to blame for not forcing him to take the grinds etc, and he did achieve his target. His school ( they call themselves a college) needless to say doesn't feature in the top 400 in Ireland. and with some teachers of the calibre they have this is no surprise. Good teachers should be rewarded and bad teachers should also also receive their reward. This will never happen of course. Rant over.
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Not trying to be smart, and I agree with the general point that you are making, but should your son not have dropped maths or French and taken geography from day one?
Do you agree that teachers should get a fixed term contract (5-7 years) which would be open to review after that time? This would reduce the abuse of temporary teachers by schools.

To the teachers reading this thread, do you think that in the context of the chronic shortage of qualified teachers it’s right that career breaks should be allowed at the moment?
 
Purple: think he required the maths. totally agree about the French. Daughter attended different all girls secondary school. French teacher was very good. had a great vocabulary in first year. I suppose thats how we judged his French teacher. He did German up to junior cert and was was pretty ok with it but this 'college' splits the different subjects up so if you wanted to study biology or science etc you could get lumbered with a subject you didnt want. thats what happened in his case. he needed a science subject but they were all tied in with French. some system. for what its worth he got a b3 in honours in geography, which was ok considering he started at Easter, and only got sitting in on a couple of lesson in total. georgraphy teacher was very understanding but as I said above he couldnt get to her classes as he had other classes during the geography ones.
 
cuchulainn said:
Purple: think he required the maths. totally agree about the French.
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Isn't a foreign language a requirement for the NUI colleges as well? It might not have been what he was going for at the time but better not to restrict your options. Generally I would say it is advisable to do English/Maths/One foreign language/probably Irish for the Leaving to keep options open with regard to meeting as many of the minimum entrance requirements for the various third level institutions. For a limited number of certain other courses you might even need more specific subjects.
 
To clarify, I was talking about honours maths and French, which I presumed he was doing in order to get the points.
 
yes. But he didn't particularly want French. it was 'tied' into whatever way this college ran the subjects. ie in June you had to pick you chosen subjects from the number on offer. if you wanted say biology you couldn't get it 'teamed' with German. Dam099.he never appreciated the chance to learn French. Not that he would have with this particular teacher anyway. but even now he literally doesn't care.
got his points/subject in college. as far as he is concerned French is a foreign language. Pity. but a good teacher could have instilled at least a liking for the language and maybe the promise of the required points at the end of the journey. anyway he copped on himself and went about getting the points his way. Suppose something could be said for that. so he actually sat 8 subjects for his leaving. which is exactly the reverse of daughter who sat the min. Stopped studying for one subject with about 3 months to go ( against teachers and schools advice) and put all eggs into the six baskets. Again got her choice of subject/college. cheers
 
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