I’m not a FF voter but they are a republican party and always have been. They, like the Shinners, want a united Ireland but unlike the Shinners they were not willing to murder children and pensioners to get it. Gerry Adams has spent most of his adult life at the top table of an organisation which did not recognise this state and saw the Gardai, Army, Judges, Prison Officers and politicians of this country at legitimate targets. I fully acknowledge that Adams was a major force, if not the major force, in bringing the crazies into mainstream politics but he has too many questions to answer, too many skeletons in the closet, or buried in beaches, to be allowed to be part of the government of a democratic state.Baloney. Sf are the only party that are actively persuing it. Anyone can claim that any td supports anything. Wheres your proof that all tds "support" a united ireland and please define what you mean by support?
I suspect what you mean to say is "all tds would probably like a united ireland and also to win the lotto"
Your question (I’m paraphrasing) is “other than the credibility of their leader, their past association with terrorists, and their economic policies what’s wrong with SF?”. Is that not enough?Ok aside from the ira and all that Jazz and gerrys apparent poor evonomics..whats wrong with sf?
don't twist my words daddy man where have I said anywhere that murder was tripe. what I said was to constantly bring up the ira when discussing sf is for me very tired old tripe. this is not debate on ira activity. if you want we can set up a separate thread and debate that.
Ok aside from the ira and all that Jazz and gerrys apparent poor evonomics..whats wrong with sf?
Excellent point and shows that they are willing to hurt the people they claim to represent in their pursuit of power.And why with a sniff of election success here have they ground the political institutions in the north to a halt so they won't be caught making more unpopular decisions?
Apologies, I believe Shane Ross may be suspect on a United Ireland. It makes me kinda shudder to hear you say that SF are "actively" pursuing a UI. I thought they gave that up in return for the release of Garda killers and Mercs and Percs at Stormont.Baloney. Sf are the only party that are actively persuing it. Anyone can claim that any td supports anything. Wheres your proof that all tds "support" a united ireland and please define what you mean by support?
I suspect what you mean to say is "all tds would probably like a united ireland and also to win the lotto"
They wouldn't have turned a peaceful student civil rights protest into a violent terrorist campaign for an all Ireland socialist republic. As it happened the IRA hijacked civil rights movement provoked a protestant backlash and 30 years misery for everybody in the North. But hey that's all tired old tripe and jazz. Sure we were all equally at fault.What would all the Catholics and Nationalists in the North have done if they didn't have the SF/IRA to back them up
It is a pity it took Paisley/Adams and their ilk 30 years of misery to see this .
That said I am very glad they have .
to summarise - Lads, Get over it, get over the past and move on. if you cannot do that then so be it. you just have to accept that some people think differently to you and you should respect that. you are entitled to bring up the past in defence of your views but why not let the past be in the past, why not change your viewpoint and see things differently? its just a thought...
what are they currently doing in power in the north that's so bad?....queue the media driven brain washed second hand stuff you've heard/read elsewhere...I don't buy that stuff.
So lets get this straight; the Shinners bloody and murderous past should be left in the past, despite the fact they are haven't left it there themselves. Their economic policies are daft and destructive. Their current track record in Northern Ireland is disastrous and you cannot defend their record in general but sure they are a great bunch of lads and you are going to vote for them... for a change... because change is good... a major outbreak of an antibiotic resistant strain of the Black Death would also be a change. Would you also be in favour of that?Yeah maybe...i dont know anymore...sf record is hard to defend and i certainly cant do it.
Still though, great bunch of lads.
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