Brendan Burgess
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Agree entirely. The regulatory framework is the real problem. Sure, some positive changes could be made to the tax system as well (shorter write down period for capital expenditure, for example) but tax is secondary.IPOA have consistently missed the main issue by lobbing for tax relief for landlords. That will never get a positive listen and would be better focusing on the regulatory issues facing landlords.
I'd question the source for the data to back this assertion...
However, Minister for Public Expenditure Paschal Donohoe disputed the claim that small landlords were leaving the market, saying “we are seeing an early sign of even a potential increase” in the number of such landlords.
I knew someone would come back when I typed that, but I was feeling lazy. I meant that one set of data cannot be used for another purpose. If we assumed the RTB data are correct, we cannot take this to be showing anything about the number of landlords in the country as this is not part of that dataset.They are not trustworthy. Last year I ended a tenancy and notified it to the RTB scrupulously. I got three emails later in the year from the RTB asking me to re-register the tenancy and only on my final, third email did they acknowledge that they had de registered it. This is despite an unambiguous address, me using the tenancy number, etc. There are other such stories online. Either their systems or their staff are rubbish or both.
The CSO would not publish these statistics themselves due to the unreliability of the source data.
I compared the Q2 2023 figures with the Q1 2024 figures based on numbers, not percentages. In every single cohort (landlords with 1 property, landlords with 2 properties etc.), there is an increase. For example, there is an additional 3700 landlords with 1 property when you compare Q2 2023 with Q1 2024 and so on right up through the cohorts.Conall Mac Coille from the Bank of Ireland questioned the stats.
New data on increase in private rental accommodation may not be accurate picture, says economist
Conall Mac Coille concerned about discrepancy between number of registered tenancies and figures on sector from 2022 censuswww.irishtimes.com
There were 103,035 registered private landlords at the end of the period. The number of registered private tenancies increased by 7.9 per cent over the same period, to 230,006.
Mr Mac Coille said his overarching concern with the data was the discrepancy between the number of registered tenancies and census figures from 2022 that showed approximately 330,000 households in the private rented sector. “That’s 100,000 [tenancies] that have gone missing.”
The economist said he believed that, on balance, landlords probably are leaving the market. “Why is another question.”
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However, Minister for Public Expenditure Paschal Donohoe disputed the claim that small landlords were leaving the market, saying “we are seeing an early sign of even a potential increase” in the number of such landlords.
4. Conversion from owner-occupancy to private rental. This is not uncommon but very hard to measure.1. In the past twelve months, all categories have been out in force buying up and renting out properties. Aside from the funds, these must be cash purchases as Buy to Let lending is still very low.
2. This largely reflects increased compliance, not more landlords.
3. There is something amiss with the RTB figures.
The line up tells you Mary hadn't a chance unless she had major media training outside her remit. As an aside, is the IPOA publicly funded in any way ?Barra Roantree, Director of the MSC in Economic Policy at Trinity College, Dublin // Senator John Cummins, Fine Gael Spokesperson on Housing // Mary Conway, Chairperson of the Irish Property Owners Association
Am I reading this correctly? The non-household purchasers seem to be mainly funds (described as companies and institutions) and the State/CouncilsResidential Property Transactions by Non-Households 2023
Key Findings
- In 2023, non-household entities purchased 12,201 dwellings at market prices with a total value of €4.2 billion, a decrease of 9.8% on the 13,522 purchases made in 2022.
- Non-household entities in the combined NACE sectors of Public Administration/Education/Human Health & Social Work purchased residential dwellings with a total value of €1.9 billion in 2023, which was more than was purchased by any other NACE sector.
- Non-household entities in the NACE sector of Construction sold 12,899 residential dwellings in 2023, which was more than was sold by any other NACE sector.
- Irish registered companies and institutions accounted for €3.9 billion (92.9%) of the total €4.2 billion spent by non-households on residential dwelling purchases in 2023.
- New dwellings accounted for 52.8% of all purchases made by non-households in 2023.
- In 2023, non-household entities purchased 6,438 houses. The remaining 5,763 purchases were of apartments.
- There was a net monetary flow of €3.3 billion to the non-household sector in 2023.
The Central Statistics Office (CSO) has today (24 July 2024) released Residential Property Transactions by Non-Households 2023.
Commenting on the release, Niall Corkery, Statistician in the Prices Division, said: “This is the first time the CSO has published this information in a stand-alone release. Previously, this information was included on an annual basis in a chapter of the Residential Property Price Index (RPPI) monthly release. The data for 2022 can be found in the January 2023 RPPI release, with data for previous years available in the Previous Releases section.
Today’s release provides a breakdown of non-household transactions in volume and value terms by NACE sector (see Editor’s Note below), dwelling status, territory of the participating organisations, and dwelling type. It also contains a breakdown of transactions between and within the household and non-household residential property sectors. Non-household transactions are residential dwelling transactions made by private companies, charitable organisations, and state institutions.
Purchases
In 2023, non-household entities purchased 12,201 dwellings at market prices, a decrease of 9.8% on the 13,522 purchases made by this group in 2022. The total value of the purchases by non-household entities in 2023 was €4.2 billion, a fall of 8.3% on the 2022 value of €4.6 billion.
Irish registered companies and institutions accounted for €3.9 billion (92.9%) of the €4.2 billion spent on purchases of residential dwellings by non-household entities in 2023. The remaining €302.5 million were purchases of residential property made by non-household entities with a registered address outside Ireland.
Non-household entities belonging to the combined sector of Public Administration/Education/Human Health & Social Work (NACE sectors O, P, Q) purchased residential dwellings with a total value of €1.9 billion in 2023, which was more than was purchased by any other NACE sector. The Financial & Insurance sector (NACE sector K) was the second largest buyer, with a total value of dwelling purchases of €865.2 million. More details on what these NACE sectors include can be found below in the section entitled Non-Household NACE Breakdown.
Of the 12,201 purchases of residential dwellings by non-households in 2023, 6,438 were purchases of houses, and 2,797 (43.4%) of these were purchases of new houses. The remaining house purchases were of existing houses, of which there were 3,641 (56.6%) in 2023. Of the 5,763 apartments purchased by non-households in 2023, 3,642 (63.2%) were purchases of new apartments. The remaining apartment purchases were of existing apartments, of which there were 2,121 (36.8%) in 2023.
Sales
In 2023, non-household entities sold 19,061 dwellings at market prices, a decrease of 7.8% on the 20,671 sales made by them in 2022. The total value of the sales by non-household entities in 2023 was €7.5 billion, down 1.1% on the 2022 value of €7.6 billion.
In terms of sales, non-household entities in the Construction sector (NACE sector F) sold 12,899 residential properties with a total value of €5.3 billion in 2023, an increase of 13.4% on the total value of sales made by this sector in 2022. Non-household entities in the Construction sector (NACE sector F) accounted for 67.7% of the total volume of sales by non-households in 2023.
Of the 19,061 sales by non-households in 2023, 15,070 (79.1%) were sales of new dwellings. The remaining 3,991 (20.9%) sales were of existing dwellings. When looking at the breakdown of sales by dwelling type, there were 5,754 (30.2%) sales of apartments and 13,307 (69.8%) sales of houses.
Net Flow
In 2023, there was a net monetary flow of €3.3 billion to the non-household sector from the household sector. Similarly, there was a net flow (in volume terms) of 6,860 residential properties from the non-household sector to the household sector. This indicates that the value and volume of sales by the non-household sector to the household sector was greater than the value and volume of purchases by non-households from households.”
New RTB data on the number of private landlords
Barra Roantree, Director of the MSC in Economic Policy at Trinity College, Dublin // Senator John Cummins, Fine Gael Spokesperson on Housing // Mary Conway, Chairperson of the Irish Property Owners Associationwww.rte.ie
If you missed it, have a listen to the interview on radio one this morning. It was a bit of a car crash interview for the person speaking on behalf of landlords.
This gets my vote3. There is something amiss with the RTB figures.
AHB figures are not included in the data. These are dealt with separately.While she did not do very well, I wouldn't agree that it was a car crash. Philip Boucher Hayes, the interviewer, was very antagonistic towards her and she was not allowed to develop her points. I have been in that situation before and it's very difficult to do it well.
She should have brought up the excessive regulation, but the discussion was all about whether the numbers were correct and whether the tax break was justified.
It is also very difficult to argue whether statistics are right or wrong in a radio interview.
Barra Roantree, who is an excellent economist, and an excellent speaker, asserted that the new figures are correct. Conall Mac Coille, who is also excellent, has questioned them.
I don't know what figures are correct at this stage.
Many landlords are leaving the market.
But if they are selling up, why are there not lots of houses available to purchase?
Are the AHB figures included in the RTB data?
@Brendan BurgessWhile she did not do very well, I wouldn't agree that it was a car crash. Philip Boucher Hayes, the interviewer, was very antagonistic towards her and she was not allowed to develop her points. I have been in that situation before and it's very difficult to do it well.
She should have brought up the excessive regulation, but the discussion was all about whether the numbers were correct and whether the tax break was justified.
It is also very difficult to argue whether statistics are right or wrong in a radio interview.
Barra Roantree, who is an excellent economist, and an excellent speaker, asserted that the new figures are correct. Conall Mac Coille, who is also excellent, has questioned them.
I don't know what figures are correct at this stage.
Many landlords are leaving the market.
But if they are selling up, why are there not lots of houses available to purchase?
Are the AHB figures included in the RTB data?
I've no idea what they are buying, I've been looking for well over a year and all I'm seeing in the area I'm looking are played out rentals with embarrassingly low former rents that I'd inherit on buying.If landlords are buying, what are they buying? There is very little second hand stock and practically all new builds are bought by funds, AHBs, Councils or first time buyers. Also very little Buy to Let borrowing as wewell.
Same where I am. I'm not looking to buy, but I do keep an eye on Daft and MyHome.I've no idea what they are buying, I've been looking for well over a year and all I'm seeing in the area I'm looking are played out rentals with embarrassingly low former rents that I'd inherit on buying.
There is next to nothing for me to buy as a result.
For clarity I'm looking particularly at Mullingar and from speaking to Estate agents I'm a lesser spotted creature (landlords) as they are all going the other way to cash out.
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